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Norman F Raphael
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Digital Sales Update Volume 16, Number 7, September 24, 1984

Introducing: Baseway Software

Anyone want it?
j***@yahoo.co.uk
2017-03-31 22:31:01 UTC
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Digital Sales Update Volume 16, Number 7, September 24, 1984
Introducing: Baseway Software
Anyone want it?
Gosh. Is the document easily scannable?

For those who may not be familiar...

BASEway was DEC's mid-1980s attempt to pioneer the shop floor
integration part of what Germany (and others?) now seem to
be calling "Industrie 4.0" (which is presumably twice as good
as Web 2.0, and a bit better than Windows 3.1). After BASEway
came BASEstar, same concept, tidier implementation. And more
too as time went by.

Elsewhere, there was a claim from system specifiers that
"open standards" mattered, which in due course led to vendor
independent communications and integration standards like
MAP and TOP. Which, like much 'open systems' stuff, largely
disappeared in due course because what beancounters
actually purchased was "cheap to buy", rather than low cost
to own (as measured over the total lifetime of the system).

Much of this stuff, and more, is now being re-invented and
re-marketed under the "Industrie 4.0" label, which to
an extent seems to be piggybacking on the current
'marketability' of the IoT concept (that's Interweb of Tat,
apparently), and artificial intelligence, and other such
gems.

Now, if only there was a set of software platforms and
tools that were truly appropriate for building the stable
and trustworthy deployment end of these systems (the
development end of setups like this doesn't necessarily
need to be the same as the deployment end).
Norman F Raphael
2017-03-31 22:59:49 UTC
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John,

It's <front cover (2-sided)> + <i,ii (TOC)> + <74 pgs> and glue-bound and 5-hole punched.

If I sent it to you, could you scan it?





Norman F. Raphael

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degenerates into real work." -Murphy




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Post by Norman F Raphael
Digital Sales Update Volume 16, Number 7, September 24, 1984
Introducing: Baseway Software
Anyone want it?
Gosh. Is the document easily scannable?

For those who may not be familiar...

BASEway was DEC's mid-1980s attempt to pioneer the shop floor
integration part of what Germany (and others?) now seem to
be calling "Industrie 4.0" (which is presumably twice as good
as Web 2.0, and a bit better than Windows 3.1). After BASEway
came BASEstar, same concept, tidier implementation. And more
too as time went by.

Elsewhere, there was a claim from system specifiers that
"open standards" mattered, which in due course led to vendor
independent communications and integration standards like
MAP and TOP. Which, like much 'open systems' stuff, largely
disappeared in due course because what beancounters
actually purchased was "cheap to buy", rather than low cost
to own (as measured over the total lifetime of the system).

Much of this stuff, and more, is now being re-invented and
re-marketed under the "Industrie 4.0" label, which to
an extent seems to be piggybacking on the current
'marketability' of the IoT concept (that's Interweb of Tat,
apparently), and artificial intelligence, and other such
gems.

Now, if only there was a set of software platforms and
tools that were truly appropriate for building the stable
and trustworthy deployment end of these systems (the
development end of setups like this doesn't necessarily
need to be the same as the deployment end).
j***@yahoo.co.uk
2017-03-31 23:36:09 UTC
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John,
It's <front cover (2-sided)> + <i,ii (TOC)> + <74 pgs> and glue-bound and 5-hole punched.
If I sent it to you, could you scan it?
Norman F. Raphael
"Everything worthwhile eventually
degenerates into real work." -Murphy
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Subject: Re: [New Info-vax] Digital Sales Update Volume 16, Number 7, September 24, 1984
Post by Norman F Raphael
Digital Sales Update Volume 16, Number 7, September 24, 1984
Introducing: Baseway Software
Anyone want it?
Gosh. Is the document easily scannable?
For those who may not be familiar...
BASEway was DEC's mid-1980s attempt to pioneer the shop floor
integration part of what Germany (and others?) now seem to
be calling "Industrie 4.0" (which is presumably twice as good
as Web 2.0, and a bit better than Windows 3.1). After BASEway
came BASEstar, same concept, tidier implementation. And more
too as time went by.
Elsewhere, there was a claim from system specifiers that
"open standards" mattered, which in due course led to vendor
independent communications and integration standards like
MAP and TOP. Which, like much 'open systems' stuff, largely
disappeared in due course because what beancounters
actually purchased was "cheap to buy", rather than low cost
to own (as measured over the total lifetime of the system).
Much of this stuff, and more, is now being re-invented and
re-marketed under the "Industrie 4.0" label, which to
an extent seems to be piggybacking on the current
'marketability' of the IoT concept (that's Interweb of Tat,
apparently), and artificial intelligence, and other such
gems.
Now, if only there was a set of software platforms and
tools that were truly appropriate for building the stable
and trustworthy deployment end of these systems (the
development end of setups like this doesn't necessarily
need to be the same as the deployment end).
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Thanks for offering.

It might be easier for someone in the US to do it rather than
me in GB (paper size? Euro A4 vs US Letter?) especially if they
had a way of doing it non destructively without unbinding the
original hardcopy document.

If there aren't any other volunteers I do have an A4 double
sided scanner with document feeder which allegedly also
does US Legal scanning. Haven't tried it yet with US paper.

I have tried scanning a document of a similar number of
pages without unbinding it and it was tedious, but not
impossible.

What's postage likely to be from US to UK for this ? Are any
reliable professional document scanning services available
for this kind of thing local to you, and if so what are
their likely costs?

Other suggestions? Bitsavers????

Thanks again anyway :)
Dennis Boone
2017-04-02 17:05:02 UTC
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Post by Norman F Raphael
It's <front cover (2-sided)> + <i,ii (TOC)> + <74 pgs> and
glue-bound and 5-hole punched.
If I sent it to you, could you scan it?
I'm able and willing to scan, if it helps. In Michigan.

De
Simon Clubley
2017-04-02 23:20:29 UTC
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Post by Norman F Raphael
Digital Sales Update Volume 16, Number 7, September 24, 1984
Introducing: Baseway Software
Anyone want it?
I've seen Dennis's offer to scan it for you, but if that doesn't work
out then, as John suggests, Bitsavers would be a good place to ask.

On a similar note, if anyone has some of the various DECdirect UK
catalogues and is in a position to scan them and then place the scans
online, I for one would love to view them.

Believe it or not, there was actually a time when DEC UK knew how to
sell a vast range of products directly to the commodity market and was
very successful at it.

Simon.
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