Post by Arne Vajhøj Post by Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson
In light of recent discussions about licenses from VSI expiring, I bring
up the following point. For reference: I am not a VSI customer, but I
hope to be in the future.
It is not too late to just replace VMS. I don't mean migrate your code
to *nix or something else, but to recreate VMS from scratch, or at least
the parts you're using.
Don't take my word for the legality of it, run the recent SCOTUS ruling
in Oracle vs. Google through your legal department, and get back to me.
The project itself doesn't have to be open source; even with closed
source, you can still start with n+1 open source kernels to bootstrap
People who participate can be confident they can run the system license
free forever, at the cost of maintaining an OS . Even if VSI relents
and changes its licensing policies, I'd still consider investing in such
a project, for future prooving my business.
 Which is not cheap, today.
That idea has come up occasionally during the last
I don't think it is realistic.
The effort is required huge. There is no big commercial opportunities.
And the interest in writing open source is very limited in the VMS
Bootstrapping an OS today is not what it was 40 years ago.
Commercial opportunities are irrelevant. All the project needs to do,
is to run the code of the funding organizations at acceptable
perforce with acceptable cost . The project absolutely does not need
to be open source.
If I am left to my own devices about how to do it, I can get you a DCL
prompt through SSH is less than 12 months. That's
Me. Alone. Part time.
After a decade, you could be paying me for support.
The project is not as big as you believe. All we have to support is
the set union of features used by the funding organizations. That is
not /all of VMS/. Even though the project is big.
How long did it take Linux to be commercially usable? Now multiply that
time by about 1000 (maybe a 1,000,000) because there will be at least
1000 times fewer people than Linux had to develop the kernel and all the
userland apps that you would need. And how many millions invested by
companies such as IBM, Dell, Redhat, etc with their employees
If you mean /can be sold/ by "commercially usable", then that's
irrelevant. Any and all measurements to Linux are pointless, until
If you look at the project as an insurance, in case VSI fails, then you
can start to look at what is realistic and what isn't. How much are
people willing to invest in an insurance of mission critical
infrastructure, even if it takes a decade to realize?
If you decide not to, because you decide a priori that it can't be done,
then you can only blame yourself when VMS is gone.
Yeah. Not going to happen.
Only if you make sure it doesn't happen.
 For some reason, both bean counters and executives have a hard time
measuring cost when it's included in salaries; even regular people
have a hard time measuring the cost of their own effort in salaries.
 And in other ways, bigger than I believe.
Johann | email: invalid -> com | www.myrkraverk.com/blog/
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