Le 27/03/2014 19:02, Ron a écrit :> forgive me for any formatting
issues... I'm kind of new to these Google Groups.
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Follow-up questions & comments for Gerard and Jan-Erik (and anyone
1. I agree that HP is acting like they want VMS to go away. I also
agree that it will be difficult for that to happen. My career started
with Tandem and DEC, so I can completely relate that there are
characteristics of these legacy platforms that are hard to replicate
with "modern technology." (no question, here. just an observation.)
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2. Question: What are the factors that drive companies to want to
get off of these legacy platforms. Is it the cost of maintenance? The
cost of hardware replacements? The business risk of an unsupported
You had already a lot of answers.
As said Jan-Eric VMS is often a sort of "black sheep" : not so fashioned
technology, written in old days, very valuable and so very difficult to
move it. The CEO knows all about excel, big data, cloud, is invited in
forum by big sellers, ans is a little bit ashamed having to say "all my
central descriptions for my factory are on a vax with a 9G hard drive".
" - Put it on the cloud !! Give your robots HD video !! Be Agile !!!"
I translate : often VMS applications are the ones which remain on VMS
because there are valuable, but this type of value is not so tractable
as over less important new data like video marketing, for example.
First idea : VMS IS the problem because it became impossible to say VMS
IS the value.
Second idea : VMS was written by people who are now retiring, there is
not or very few young people knowing it ; it is a big risk factor.
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3. Conversely: how does a company justify running their business on
a technology stack that is 15 years old, or perhaps even older?
Take this : """VMS IS the problem because it became impossible to say
VMS IS the value""", and you have got the answer : even if it became
impossible to say its value, VMS is there BECAUSE of its value.
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4. Does performance or availability become an issue with these platforms as they age?
For a very few customers performance could be an issue : they were
waiting for i4 for this reason, and they are in trouble. (Don't worry
about them : HP would give them special conditions).
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5. If so, what is the source of the problem? (hardware failures,
software glitches, incompatibility with new technology, etc.)
By decrescent order of importance :
1) end of sale of hardware (2015 is tomorow),
2) end of support for hardware too soon, problem getting parts,...
3) end of legal support for software (I underline "legal" : everybody
knows 2 or 3 India engineers are not "support", but companies need to
officially say "we have support").
All other issues you noted are irrelevant (I think so) : you got here a
lot of answers about these issues, some opposed thinking, but anything
"wrong" in software can be addressed, and there is around A LOT of
solutions to interface VMS with new technologies (gSOAP, one example
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Thanks for continuing the conversation!
Thank you giving us opportunity. And go on yourselves !
And now, some "philosophie".
David Frobe :
Being useful to some people and being taken seriously by the mob are two
different things. The only question is, will those who find VMS useful
have any choices in the future? """
As said some American poet : "the time there are a changing".
There were times where growing IT was "hand by hand" useful IT, big
profits. Innovation was generally innovation for new uses of IT.
Now in the huge world of IT, some things are more useful than others,
some things generate more profit than others, and the "hand by hand" is
It is a very normal cycle in industry : large and very useful
innovations at the beginnings, and, after that, search for huge
benefits, differences between main stream and specialized markets,
etc... (Think about cars or planes).
In the 70s or 80s critical systems were the top of the mountain, the
glory for IBM, DEC, HP... For now, critical systems are a specialized
market, and not a so big market. I talk about dependable applications
for energy, industry, health, transport. Not so big data, software very
difficult to change, problems of certification...
Critical systems is no more the top of the mountain, the glory for HP or
IBM, etc... Now the top is huge data centers for huge clouds, HPC to do
big data mining, very large networks, new format of smartphone every
year, and so on.
Here is some big trend. I don't say it is not important. I say with
critical systems, we are no more on the mainstream. We can deny it, cry
for it, insult people who cry for it, deny their situation, predict the
boat is sinking, being the first or the last to save her soul, scuttle
the boat to save it, I don't know, everything is possible. But the fact
is : system critical ITs are no more on the main stream.
So the only question is : what can be done, what have to be done for
customers who NEED critical systems ?
My answer : we have to re-invent the gearshift (is it the word in
english ?) :
We have to think about different levels of speeds, different levels for
life cycle, and so on.
Try to start a car without different levels of speed, you cannot start.
VMS is no more an universal OS, and also times of wars between VMS and
Unix and ... to be THE universal software are gone.
We need OS diversity, with VMS, Unix, Linux,... because the IT world is
no more a new continent. We live in Massachusetts AND in West Coast, we
don't need same things in New-York and in Las Vegas.
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