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AXPbox performance and tried to boot OpenVMS Alpha 6.2
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Timothy Stark
2020-11-24 17:12:02 UTC
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Folks,



I ran VUPS on OpenVMS 8.4-2L1 on AXPbox (ES40 emulator) with i7-8800K
processor and got 63.0. Which real AlphaServer models is near 63.0 rate?

Does anyone have a listing of AlphaServer models with VUPS rates?



Also I tried to boot old OpenVMS Alpha v6.2 install media but it just
stopped with halt code 5 immediately after loading bootstrap code.



Which AlphaServer models does OpenVMS Alpha 6.2 and 8.4-2L1 supports?



Look at my screen log below.



Thanks,

Tim



This is serial port #0 on ES40 Emulator





OpenVMS PALcode V1.98-104, Tru64 UNIX PALcode V1.92-105



starting console on CPU 0

initialized idle PCB

initializing semaphores

initializing heap

initial heap 240c0

memory low limit = 1b0000 heap = 240c0, 17fc0

initializing driver structures

initializing idle process PID

initializing file system

initializing hardware

initializing timer data structures

lowering IPL

CPU 0 speed is 800 MHz

create dead_eater

create poll

create timer

create powerup

access NVRAM

Memory size 256 MB

testing memory

..

probe I/O subsystem

probing hose 1, PCI

bus 0, slot 1 -- ewa -- DE500-BA Network Controller

probing hose 0, PCI

probing PCI-to-ISA bridge, bus 1

bus 0, slot 1 -- pka -- NCR 53C810

starting drivers

entering idle loop

*** system serial number not set. use set sys_serial_num command.

Partition 0, Memory base: 000000000, size: 010000000

initializing GCT/FRU at 1c8000

Initializing pka ewa

Memory Testing and Configuration Status

Array Size Base Address Intlv Mode

--------- ---------- ---------------- ----------

0 256Mb 0000000000000000 4-Way



256 MB of System Memory

Testing the System

Testing the Disks (read only)

Testing the Network

AlphaServer ES40 Console V7.3-1, built on Feb 27 2007 at 12:57:47

P00>>>b dka400

(boot dka400.4.0.1.0 -flags 0)

block 0 of dka400.4.0.1.0 is a valid boot block

reading 1035 blocks from dka400.4.0.1.0

bootstrap code read in

base = 200000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 81600(529920)

initializing HWRPB at 2000

initializing page table at ff56000

initializing machine state

setting affinity to the primary CPU

jumping to bootstrap code



halted CPU 0



halt code = 5

HALT instruction executed

PC = 2000f918

P00>>>
Arne Vajhøj
2020-11-24 18:19:19 UTC
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Post by Timothy Stark
I ran VUPS on OpenVMS 8.4-2L1 on AXPbox (ES40 emulator) with i7-8800K
processor and got 63.0. Which real AlphaServer models is near 63.0 rate?
Does anyone have a listing of AlphaServer models with VUPS rates?
With a few tons of salt as such comparisons are pretty meaningless,
then given that VUPS and SPEC92 are both VAX 780 based, then
it sounds likes something similar to the DEC 3000 series.

https://www.vajhoej.dk/arne/vms/hw/decalpha.html

Arne
Dave Froble
2020-11-24 19:37:04 UTC
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Post by Timothy Stark
Folks,
I ran VUPS on OpenVMS 8.4-2L1 on AXPbox (ES40 emulator) with i7-8800K
processor and got 63.0. Which real AlphaServer models is near 63.0 rate?
Does anyone have a listing of AlphaServer models with VUPS rates?
Tim, the AlphaServer 800 is running, but I'm WAY too lazy to go boot up
a bunch of other systems.

AS800> @calcvups
Approximate System VUPs Rating : 140.8

For a bit of humor, I'll try the VAXstation 4000 Model 90A:

$ di cal*

Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[DFE]

CALCULATE_VUPS.COM;1 6/6 [DFE] (RWED,RWED,RE,)
CALCVUPS.COM;1 4/4 [DFE] (RWED,RWED,RE,)

Total of 2 files, 10/10 blocks.

Hmmm ... two command procedures. I'll run them both.

$ @calculate_vups

Approximate System VUPs Rating : 106.0 ( min: 106.0 max: 106.0 )
$ @calcvups
Approximate System VUPs Rating : 26.0

I have no idea what each command procedure does, too lazy to think about
it. I'm not too sure that a VAXstation 4000 Model 90A would be over 100
times as fast as the VAX 11/780.

Ok, that did get my curiosity going a bit, so I copied the
CALCULATE_VUPS.COM to the AlphaServer 800 and got:

AS800> @calculate_vups

Approximate System VUPs Rating : 559.0 ( min: 559.0 max: 559.0 )

One, or both, of the command procedures appears to be a bit flakey.
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Timothy Stark
2020-11-24 20:50:34 UTC
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I have a copy of VUPS.com (4 block size). Does anyone have a copy of
VUPS.COM (6 block size version)?

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6.2

CALCULATE_VUPS.COM;1 6/6 [DFE] (RWED,RWED,RE,)
CALCVUPS.COM;1 4/4 [DFE] (RWED,RWED,RE,)
Joukj
2020-11-26 11:16:27 UTC
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Post by Timothy Stark
I have a copy of VUPS.com (4 block size). Does anyone have a copy of
VUPS.COM (6 block size version)?
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Info-vax] AXPbox performance and tried to boot OpenVMS Alpha
6.2
CALCULATE_VUPS.COM;1 6/6 [DFE] (RWED,RWED,RE,)
CALCVUPS.COM;1 4/4 [DFE] (RWED,RWED,RE,)
I tested with the version of vups.com I found at:

http://www.astro.multivax.de:8000/phillip/vup.com

When I run it on a real ES40 with 2 667 Mhz EV67 processors and 2GB RAM,
OpenVMS 8.4 I get:
Approximate System VUPs Rating : 1092.0


when running it on axpbox (on Fedora 33 system with 2.60Ghz Xeon E5-2623
processor and 128GB RAM) running OpenVMS 8.4-2L1 with 1 800Mhz EV68
processor and 8GB RAM I get:
Approximate System VUPs Rating : 42.0
Ben Lambert
2020-11-26 11:46:20 UTC
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Post by Joukj
http://www.astro.multivax.de:8000/phillip/vup.com
When I run it on a real ES40 with 2 667 Mhz EV67 processors and 2GB RAM,
Approximate System VUPs Rating : 1092.0
when running it on axpbox (on Fedora 33 system with 2.60Ghz Xeon E5-2623
processor and 128GB RAM) running OpenVMS 8.4-2L1 with 1 800Mhz EV68
Approximate System VUPs Rating : 42.0
I just tested that same version of vup.com on CharonAXP (on an Intel i7-3770K (overclocked to 4.6Ghz), and 16GB 2400MHz RAM) running OpenVMS 8.4-2L1 with 4x EV67 and 8GB RAM. I get:
Approximate System VUPs Rating: 877.0

Ben.
Arne Vajhøj
2020-11-26 18:33:34 UTC
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Post by Ben Lambert
Post by Joukj
http://www.astro.multivax.de:8000/phillip/vup.com
When I run it on a real ES40 with 2 667 Mhz EV67 processors and 2GB RAM,
Approximate System VUPs Rating : 1092.0
when running it on axpbox (on Fedora 33 system with 2.60Ghz Xeon E5-2623
processor and 128GB RAM) running OpenVMS 8.4-2L1 with 1 800Mhz EV68
Approximate System VUPs Rating : 42.0
Approximate System VUPs Rating: 877.0
That its a big difference.

But maybe CharonAXP does JIT compile and AXPBox does not.

Arne

Paul Hardy
2020-11-24 19:37:37 UTC
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Post by Timothy Stark
Folks,
I ran VUPS on OpenVMS 8.4-2L1 on AXPbox (ES40 emulator) with i7-8800K
processor and got 63.0. Which real AlphaServer models is near 63.0 rate?
Does anyone have a listing of AlphaServer models with VUPS rates?
It’s from 1998, but probably still relevant to you:
https://pghardy.net/paul/programs/vms_cpus.html
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Paul at the paulhardy.net domain
Hans Bachner
2020-11-24 20:25:42 UTC
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Post by Timothy Stark
Folks,
I ran VUPS on OpenVMS 8.4-2L1 on AXPbox (ES40 emulator) [...]
Also I tried to boot old OpenVMS Alpha v6.2 install media but it just
stopped with halt code 5 immediately after loading bootstrap code.
[...]
I believe the ES 40 requires at least OpenVMS V7.1-2.

Hans.
Joukj
2020-11-26 10:22:59 UTC
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Post by Hans Bachner
Post by Timothy Stark
Folks,
I ran VUPS on OpenVMS 8.4-2L1 on AXPbox (ES40 emulator) [...]
Also I tried to boot old OpenVMS Alpha v6.2 install media but it just
stopped with halt code 5 immediately after loading bootstrap code.
[...]
I believe the ES 40 requires at least OpenVMS V7.1-2.
Hans.
axpbox emulates a EV68 which did not exist when OpenVMS Alpha v6.2 was
released.
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