Discussion:
TCPWare SMTP Setup
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Chris Townley
2020-12-28 11:18:24 UTC
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Having completely failed to get this running under TCP/IP I thought I
would try under TCPWare - V6.0-0 under OpenVMS V8.4-2L1

I am trying to simply enable sending via my ISPs SMTP server, which I
had done many tears ago under VMS 7.3 with TCPWare, and ISTR under VMS
8.3 with TCP/IP services, but so far getting nowhere!

Cam anybody point me to some sort of Noddy goes SMTP document? All the
documentation I can find explains bits, but not how to do it


TIA


Chris
Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
2020-12-28 11:57:56 UTC
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Post by Chris Townley
Having completely failed to get this running under TCP/IP I thought I
would try under TCPWare - V6.0-0 under OpenVMS V8.4-2L1
I am trying to simply enable sending via my ISPs SMTP server, which I
had done many tears ago under VMS 7.3 with TCPWare, and ISTR under VMS
8.3 with TCP/IP services, but so far getting nowhere!
So you have sent outgoing mail via a TCPIP relay server before?
Post by Chris Townley
Cam anybody point me to some sort of Noddy goes SMTP document? All the
documentation I can find explains bits, but not how to do it
TCPIP> SET CONFIG SMTP/GATEWAY=ALTERNATE=<name of relay server>
Chris Townley
2020-12-28 13:15:28 UTC
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Post by Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
Post by Chris Townley
Having completely failed to get this running under TCP/IP I thought I
would try under TCPWare - V6.0-0 under OpenVMS V8.4-2L1
I am trying to simply enable sending via my ISPs SMTP server, which I
had done many tears ago under VMS 7.3 with TCPWare, and ISTR under VMS
8.3 with TCP/IP services, but so far getting nowhere!
So you have sent outgoing mail via a TCPIP relay server before?
Yes, although not on the machines I am playing with - they are boty
fresh installs of VSI 8.4-2L1 on FreeAXP - 1 with TCPWare and one with
TCP/IP Services
Post by Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
Post by Chris Townley
Cam anybody point me to some sort of Noddy goes SMTP document? All the
documentation I can find explains bits, but not how to do it
TCPIP> SET CONFIG SMTP/GATEWAY=ALTERNATE=<name of relay server>
Have played with this, as well as /GATEWAY=GENERAL-<> but either qway
the send job is queued up, then disapp;ears to be repokaced by another
job. All I see in the log is:

$ type SYS$SYSROOT:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP.LOG;38

%%%%%%%%%%%% 28-DEC-2020 12:28:56.19 %%%%%%%%%%%%
%TCPIP-I-SMTP_LOGSUC, using log file TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON:TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP.LOG

%%%%%%%%%%%% 28-DEC-2020 12:28:56.22 %%%%%%%%%%%%
%TCPIP-I-SMTP_SYMBRUN, symbiont is running the queue TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP_1

_VSIALP$DKA100:[TOWNLEYC]20122812391730_TOWNLEYC-131.TCPIP_VSIALP;1
From: ***@vsialp.cct-net.co.uk
To: ***@gmail.com
Requeued.

_VSIALP$DKA100:[TOWNLEYC]20122812391730_TOWNLEYC-131.TCPIP_VSIALP;1
From: ***@vsialp.cct-net.co.uk
To: ***@gmail.com
Requeued.

_VSIALP$DKA100:[TOWNLEYC]20122812391730_TOWNLEYC-131.TCPIP_VSIALP;1
From: ***@vsialp.cct-net.co.uk
To: ***@gmail.com
Requeued.

Which is not much use!

I have the following setup:

$ tcpip show config smtp /full

SMTP Configuration
Options
Initial interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Address_max: 16 EIGHT_BIT
Retry interval: 0 01:00:00.00 Hop_count_max: 16 RELAY
Maximum interval: 3 00:00:00.00 TOP_HEADERS

Timeout Initial Mail Receipt Data Terminate
Send: 5 5 5 3 10
Receive: 5

Alternate gateway: RELAY.PLUS.NET
General gateway: RELAY.PLUS.NET

Substitute domain: not defined
Zone: not defined

Postmaster: TCPIP$SMTP
Log file: SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG

Generic queue Queues Participating nodes

TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP_00 1 VSIALP
$


where RELAY.PLUS.NET is my ISPs SMTP server - they do not require
authentication if coming from one of their addresses.



cHRIS
Chris Townley
2020-12-28 13:28:16 UTC
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Post by Chris Townley
Post by Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
Post by Chris Townley
Having completely failed to get this running under TCP/IP I thought I
would try under TCPWare - V6.0-0 under OpenVMS V8.4-2L1
I am trying to simply enable sending via my ISPs SMTP server, which I
had done many tears ago under VMS 7.3 with TCPWare, and ISTR under VMS
8.3 with TCP/IP services, but so far getting nowhere!
So you have sent outgoing mail via a TCPIP relay server before?
Yes, although not on the machines I am playing with - they are boty
fresh installs of VSI 8.4-2L1 on FreeAXP - 1 with TCPWare and one with
TCP/IP Services
Post by Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
Post by Chris Townley
Cam anybody point me to some sort of Noddy goes SMTP document? All the
documentation I can find explains bits, but not how to do it
TCPIP> SET CONFIG SMTP/GATEWAY=ALTERNATE=<name of relay server>
Have played with this, as well as /GATEWAY=GENERAL-<> but either qway
the send job is queued up, then disapp;ears to be repokaced by another
$ type SYS$SYSROOT:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP.LOG;38
%%%%%%%%%%%%                   28-DEC-2020 12:28:56.19  %%%%%%%%%%%%
%TCPIP-I-SMTP_LOGSUC, using log file
TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON:TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP.LOG
%%%%%%%%%%%%                   28-DEC-2020 12:28:56.22  %%%%%%%%%%%%
%TCPIP-I-SMTP_SYMBRUN, symbiont is running the queue TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP_1
_VSIALP$DKA100:[TOWNLEYC]20122812391730_TOWNLEYC-131.TCPIP_VSIALP;1
Requeued.
_VSIALP$DKA100:[TOWNLEYC]20122812391730_TOWNLEYC-131.TCPIP_VSIALP;1
Requeued.
_VSIALP$DKA100:[TOWNLEYC]20122812391730_TOWNLEYC-131.TCPIP_VSIALP;1
Requeued.
Which is not much use!
$ tcpip show config smtp /full
SMTP Configuration
                                                                   Options
Initial interval:   0 00:30:00.00       Address_max:    16       EIGHT_BIT
Retry interval:     0 01:00:00.00       Hop_count_max:  16       RELAY
Maximum interval:   3 00:00:00.00
TOP_HEADERS
Timeout             Initial       Mail    Receipt       Data  Terminate
  Send:                   5          5          5          3         10
  Receive:                5
Alternate gateway:  RELAY.PLUS.NET
General gateway:    RELAY.PLUS.NET
Substitute domain:  not defined
Zone:               not defined
Postmaster:         TCPIP$SMTP
Log file:           SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG
Generic queue       Queues   Participating nodes
TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP_00   1     VSIALP
$
where RELAY.PLUS.NET is my ISPs SMTP server - they do not require
authentication if coming from one of their addresses.
cHRIS
Actually managed to fix the TCPWare setup - I need to add a from domain, so

MAIL-CONFIG>set SMTP-HOST-NAMES <my domain>

saved, restarted it and I got an email out. Now see if I can fix TCP/IP
Services version

Chris
Jan-Erik Söderholm
2020-12-28 15:16:11 UTC
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Post by Chris Townley
Post by Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
Post by Chris Townley
Having completely failed to get this running under TCP/IP I thought I
would try under TCPWare - V6.0-0 under OpenVMS V8.4-2L1
I am trying to simply enable sending via my ISPs SMTP server, which I
had done many tears ago under VMS 7.3 with TCPWare, and ISTR under VMS
8.3 with TCP/IP services, but so far getting nowhere!
So you have sent outgoing mail via a TCPIP relay server before?
Yes, although not on the machines I am playing with - they are boty fresh
installs of VSI 8.4-2L1 on FreeAXP - 1 with TCPWare and one with TCP/IP
Services
Post by Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
Post by Chris Townley
Cam anybody point me to some sort of Noddy goes SMTP document? All the
documentation I can find explains bits, but not how to do it
TCPIP> SET CONFIG SMTP/GATEWAY=ALTERNATE=<name of relay server>
Have played with this, as well as /GATEWAY=GENERAL-<> but either qway the
send job is queued up, then disapp;ears to be repokaced by another job.
$ type SYS$SYSROOT:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP.LOG;38
%%%%%%%%%%%%                   28-DEC-2020 12:28:56.19  %%%%%%%%%%%%
%TCPIP-I-SMTP_LOGSUC, using log file TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON:TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP.LOG
%%%%%%%%%%%%                   28-DEC-2020 12:28:56.22  %%%%%%%%%%%%
%TCPIP-I-SMTP_SYMBRUN, symbiont is running the queue TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP_1
_VSIALP$DKA100:[TOWNLEYC]20122812391730_TOWNLEYC-131.TCPIP_VSIALP;1
Requeued.
_VSIALP$DKA100:[TOWNLEYC]20122812391730_TOWNLEYC-131.TCPIP_VSIALP;1
Requeued.
_VSIALP$DKA100:[TOWNLEYC]20122812391730_TOWNLEYC-131.TCPIP_VSIALP;1
Requeued.
Which is not much use!
$ tcpip show config smtp /full
SMTP Configuration
                                                                    Options
Initial interval:   0 00:30:00.00       Address_max:    16       EIGHT_BIT
Retry interval:     0 01:00:00.00       Hop_count_max:  16       RELAY
Maximum interval:   3 00:00:00.00 TOP_HEADERS
Timeout             Initial       Mail    Receipt       Data  Terminate
   Send:                   5          5          5          3         10
   Receive:                5
Alternate gateway:  RELAY.PLUS.NET
General gateway:    RELAY.PLUS.NET
Substitute domain:  not defined
Zone:               not defined
Postmaster:         TCPIP$SMTP
Log file:           SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG
Generic queue       Queues   Participating nodes
TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP_00   1     VSIALP
$
where RELAY.PLUS.NET is my ISPs SMTP server - they do not require
authentication if coming from one of their addresses.
cHRIS
Actually managed to fix the TCPWare setup - I need to add a from domain, so
MAIL-CONFIG>set SMTP-HOST-NAMES <my domain>
saved, restarted it and I got an email out. Now see if I can fix TCP/IP
Services version
Chris
Isn't that the same thing as "substitute domain" in TCPIP Services?
Chris Townley
2020-12-28 15:22:09 UTC
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Post by Jan-Erik Söderholm
Post by Chris Townley
Post by Chris Townley
Post by Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
Post by Chris Townley
Having completely failed to get this running under TCP/IP I thought I
would try under TCPWare - V6.0-0 under OpenVMS V8.4-2L1
I am trying to simply enable sending via my ISPs SMTP server, which I
had done many tears ago under VMS 7.3 with TCPWare, and ISTR under VMS
8.3 with TCP/IP services, but so far getting nowhere!
So you have sent outgoing mail via a TCPIP relay server before?
Yes, although not on the machines I am playing with - they are boty
fresh installs of VSI 8.4-2L1 on FreeAXP - 1 with TCPWare and one
with TCP/IP Services
Post by Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
Post by Chris Townley
Cam anybody point me to some sort of Noddy goes SMTP document? All the
documentation I can find explains bits, but not how to do it
TCPIP> SET CONFIG SMTP/GATEWAY=ALTERNATE=<name of relay server>
Have played with this, as well as /GATEWAY=GENERAL-<> but either qway
the send job is queued up, then disapp;ears to be repokaced by
$ type SYS$SYSROOT:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP.LOG;38
%%%%%%%%%%%%                   28-DEC-2020 12:28:56.19  %%%%%%%%%%%%
%TCPIP-I-SMTP_LOGSUC, using log file
TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON:TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP.LOG
%%%%%%%%%%%%                   28-DEC-2020 12:28:56.22  %%%%%%%%%%%%
%TCPIP-I-SMTP_SYMBRUN, symbiont is running the queue TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP_1
_VSIALP$DKA100:[TOWNLEYC]20122812391730_TOWNLEYC-131.TCPIP_VSIALP;1
Requeued.
_VSIALP$DKA100:[TOWNLEYC]20122812391730_TOWNLEYC-131.TCPIP_VSIALP;1
Requeued.
_VSIALP$DKA100:[TOWNLEYC]20122812391730_TOWNLEYC-131.TCPIP_VSIALP;1
Requeued.
Which is not much use!
$ tcpip show config smtp /full
SMTP Configuration
Options
Initial interval:   0 00:30:00.00       Address_max:    16
EIGHT_BIT
Retry interval:     0 01:00:00.00       Hop_count_max:  16       RELAY
Maximum interval:   3 00:00:00.00 TOP_HEADERS
Timeout             Initial       Mail    Receipt       Data  Terminate
   Send:                   5          5          5          3         10
   Receive:                5
Alternate gateway:  RELAY.PLUS.NET
General gateway:    RELAY.PLUS.NET
Substitute domain:  not defined
Zone:               not defined
Postmaster:         TCPIP$SMTP
Log file:           SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG
Generic queue       Queues   Participating nodes
TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP_00   1     VSIALP
$
where RELAY.PLUS.NET is my ISPs SMTP server - they do not require
authentication if coming from one of their addresses.
cHRIS
Actually managed to fix the TCPWare setup - I need to add a from domain, so
MAIL-CONFIG>set SMTP-HOST-NAMES <my domain>
saved, restarted it and I got an email out. Now see if I can fix
TCP/IP Services version
Chris
Isn't that the same thing as "substitute domain" in TCPIP Services?
Yes it is. Now set as well

Thanks

Chris
Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
2020-12-28 14:18:39 UTC
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Post by Chris Townley
Post by Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
TCPIP> SET CONFIG SMTP/GATEWAY=ALTERNATE=<name of relay server>
Have played with this, as well as /GATEWAY=GENERAL-<> but either qway
the send job is queued up, then disappears to be repokaced by another
job.
where RELAY.PLUS.NET is my ISPs SMTP server - they do not require
authentication if coming from one of their addresses.
OK.

What about the SMTP queues, both generic and specific?
Chris Townley
2020-12-28 15:07:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
Post by Chris Townley
Post by Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
TCPIP> SET CONFIG SMTP/GATEWAY=ALTERNATE=<name of relay server>
Have played with this, as well as /GATEWAY=GENERAL-<> but either qway
the send job is queued up, then disappears to be repokaced by another
job.
where RELAY.PLUS.NET is my ISPs SMTP server - they do not require
authentication if coming from one of their addresses.
OK.
What about the SMTP queues, both generic and specific?
The queues are there,and work, as I can see (and delete) the requeued jobs

Chris
Jan-Erik Söderholm
2020-12-28 14:44:23 UTC
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Post by Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
Post by Chris Townley
Having completely failed to get this running under TCP/IP I thought I
would try under TCPWare - V6.0-0 under OpenVMS V8.4-2L1
I am trying to simply enable sending via my ISPs SMTP server, which I
had done many tears ago under VMS 7.3 with TCPWare, and ISTR under VMS
8.3 with TCP/IP services, but so far getting nowhere!
So you have sent outgoing mail via a TCPIP relay server before?
Yes, although not on the machines I am playing with - they are boty fresh
installs of VSI 8.4-2L1 on FreeAXP - 1 with TCPWare and one with TCP/IP
Services
Post by Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
Post by Chris Townley
Cam anybody point me to some sort of Noddy goes SMTP document? All the
documentation I can find explains bits, but not how to do it
TCPIP> SET CONFIG SMTP/GATEWAY=ALTERNATE=<name of relay server>
Have played with this, as well as /GATEWAY=GENERAL-<> but either qway the
send job is queued up, then disapp;ears to be repokaced by another job. All
$ type SYS$SYSROOT:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP.LOG;38
%%%%%%%%%%%%                   28-DEC-2020 12:28:56.19  %%%%%%%%%%%%
%TCPIP-I-SMTP_LOGSUC, using log file TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON:TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP.LOG
%%%%%%%%%%%%                   28-DEC-2020 12:28:56.22  %%%%%%%%%%%%
%TCPIP-I-SMTP_SYMBRUN, symbiont is running the queue TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP_1
_VSIALP$DKA100:[TOWNLEYC]20122812391730_TOWNLEYC-131.TCPIP_VSIALP;1
Requeued.
_VSIALP$DKA100:[TOWNLEYC]20122812391730_TOWNLEYC-131.TCPIP_VSIALP;1
Requeued.
_VSIALP$DKA100:[TOWNLEYC]20122812391730_TOWNLEYC-131.TCPIP_VSIALP;1
Requeued.
Which is not much use!
$ tcpip show config smtp /full
SMTP Configuration
                                                                   Options
Initial interval:   0 00:30:00.00       Address_max:    16       EIGHT_BIT
Retry interval:     0 01:00:00.00       Hop_count_max:  16       RELAY
Maximum interval:   3 00:00:00.00                                TOP_HEADERS
Timeout             Initial       Mail    Receipt       Data  Terminate
  Send:                   5          5          5          3         10
  Receive:                5
Alternate gateway:  RELAY.PLUS.NET
General gateway:    RELAY.PLUS.NET
Substitute domain:  not defined
Zone:               not defined
Postmaster:         TCPIP$SMTP
Log file:           SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG
Generic queue       Queues   Participating nodes
TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP_00   1     VSIALP
$
where RELAY.PLUS.NET is my ISPs SMTP server - they do not require
authentication if coming from one of their addresses.
cHRIS
Have you tried to run a manual SMTP session?

What if you do:

$ telnet RELAY.PLUS.NET /port=25

Does the SMTP server reply in a sensible way?

This is from a working setup (some data hidden):

$ tcpip sho conf smtp /fu

SMTP Configuration
Options
Initial interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Address_max: 16 NOEIGHT_BIT
Retry interval: 0 01:00:00.00 Hop_count_max: 16 NORELAY
Maximum interval: 3 00:00:00.00 TOP_HEADERS

Timeout Initial Mail Receipt Data Terminate
Send: 5 5 5 3 10
Receive: 5

Alternate gateway: xxx.xxx.xxx
General gateway: not defined

Substitute domain: yyy.xxx
Zone: not defined

Postmaster: TCPIP$SMTP
Log file: SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG

Generic queue Queues Participating nodes

TCPIP$SMTP_zzzz_00 1 zzzz

$
$ telnet xxx.xxx.xxx /port=25
%TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 1.2.3.4
%TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host xxx.xxx.xxx, port 25
220 xxx.xxx.xxx Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service, Version: 8.5.9600.16384 ready
at Mon, 28 Dec 2020 15:36:25 +0100
quit <<== My entry...
221 2.0.0 xxx.xxx.xxx Service closing transmission channel
%TELNET-S-REMCLOSED, Remote connection closed
-TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host xxx.xxx.xxx, port 25
$
$

Maybe you need a "substitue domain" so that your SMTP client
is accepted by your SMTP server?
Chris Townley
2020-12-28 15:22:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jan-Erik Söderholm
Post by Chris Townley
Post by Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
Post by Chris Townley
Having completely failed to get this running under TCP/IP I thought I
would try under TCPWare - V6.0-0 under OpenVMS V8.4-2L1
I am trying to simply enable sending via my ISPs SMTP server, which I
had done many tears ago under VMS 7.3 with TCPWare, and ISTR under VMS
8.3 with TCP/IP services, but so far getting nowhere!
So you have sent outgoing mail via a TCPIP relay server before?
Yes, although not on the machines I am playing with - they are boty
fresh installs of VSI 8.4-2L1 on FreeAXP - 1 with TCPWare and one with
TCP/IP Services
Post by Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
Post by Chris Townley
Cam anybody point me to some sort of Noddy goes SMTP document? All the
documentation I can find explains bits, but not how to do it
TCPIP> SET CONFIG SMTP/GATEWAY=ALTERNATE=<name of relay server>
Have played with this, as well as /GATEWAY=GENERAL-<> but either qway
the send job is queued up, then disapp;ears to be repokaced by another
$ type SYS$SYSROOT:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP.LOG;38
%%%%%%%%%%%%                   28-DEC-2020 12:28:56.19  %%%%%%%%%%%%
%TCPIP-I-SMTP_LOGSUC, using log file
TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON:TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP.LOG
%%%%%%%%%%%%                   28-DEC-2020 12:28:56.22  %%%%%%%%%%%%
%TCPIP-I-SMTP_SYMBRUN, symbiont is running the queue TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP_1
_VSIALP$DKA100:[TOWNLEYC]20122812391730_TOWNLEYC-131.TCPIP_VSIALP;1
Requeued.
_VSIALP$DKA100:[TOWNLEYC]20122812391730_TOWNLEYC-131.TCPIP_VSIALP;1
Requeued.
_VSIALP$DKA100:[TOWNLEYC]20122812391730_TOWNLEYC-131.TCPIP_VSIALP;1
Requeued.
Which is not much use!
$ tcpip show config smtp /full
SMTP Configuration
Options
Initial interval:   0 00:30:00.00       Address_max:    16
EIGHT_BIT
Retry interval:     0 01:00:00.00       Hop_count_max:  16       RELAY
Maximum interval:   3 00:00:00.00
TOP_HEADERS
Timeout             Initial       Mail    Receipt       Data  Terminate
   Send:                   5          5          5          3         10
   Receive:                5
Alternate gateway:  RELAY.PLUS.NET
General gateway:    RELAY.PLUS.NET
Substitute domain:  not defined
Zone:               not defined
Postmaster:         TCPIP$SMTP
Log file:           SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG
Generic queue       Queues   Participating nodes
TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP_00   1     VSIALP
$
where RELAY.PLUS.NET is my ISPs SMTP server - they do not require
authentication if coming from one of their addresses.
cHRIS
Have you tried to run a manual SMTP session?
$ telnet RELAY.PLUS.NET /port=25
Failed at the first hurdle - Host not found. As I switched from DHCP to
a fixed IP address (as DHCP would not honour the assigned IP address) it
is missing the default gateway.

Will fix that next!
Post by Jan-Erik Söderholm
Does the SMTP server reply in a sensible way?
$ tcpip sho conf smtp /fu
SMTP Configuration
                                                       Options
Initial interval: 0 00:30:00.00   Address_max:    16   NOEIGHT_BIT
Retry interval:   0 01:00:00.00   Hop_count_max:  16   NORELAY
Maximum interval: 3 00:00:00.00                        TOP_HEADERS
Timeout         Initial    Mail    Receipt     Data  Terminate
  Send:               5       5          5        3         10
  Receive:            5
Alternate gateway:  xxx.xxx.xxx
General gateway:    not defined
Substitute domain:  yyy.xxx
Zone:               not defined
Postmaster:         TCPIP$SMTP
Log file:           SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG
Generic queue       Queues   Participating nodes
TCPIP$SMTP_zzzz_00     1     zzzz
$
$ telnet xxx.xxx.xxx /port=25
%TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 1.2.3.4
%TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host xxx.xxx.xxx, port 25
220 xxx.xxx.xxx Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service, Version: 8.5.9600.16384
ready at  Mon, 28 Dec 2020 15:36:25 +0100
quit  <<== My entry...
221 2.0.0 xxx.xxx.xxx Service closing transmission channel
%TELNET-S-REMCLOSED, Remote connection closed
-TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host xxx.xxx.xxx, port 25
$
$
Maybe you need a "substitue domain" so that your SMTP client
is accepted by your SMTP server?
Jan-Erik Söderholm
2020-12-28 16:14:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chris Townley
Post by Jan-Erik Söderholm
Post by Chris Townley
Post by Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
Post by Chris Townley
Having completely failed to get this running under TCP/IP I thought I
would try under TCPWare - V6.0-0 under OpenVMS V8.4-2L1
I am trying to simply enable sending via my ISPs SMTP server, which I
had done many tears ago under VMS 7.3 with TCPWare, and ISTR under VMS
8.3 with TCP/IP services, but so far getting nowhere!
So you have sent outgoing mail via a TCPIP relay server before?
Yes, although not on the machines I am playing with - they are boty
fresh installs of VSI 8.4-2L1 on FreeAXP - 1 with TCPWare and one with
TCP/IP Services
Post by Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
Post by Chris Townley
Cam anybody point me to some sort of Noddy goes SMTP document? All the
documentation I can find explains bits, but not how to do it
TCPIP> SET CONFIG SMTP/GATEWAY=ALTERNATE=<name of relay server>
Have played with this, as well as /GATEWAY=GENERAL-<> but either qway
the send job is queued up, then disapp;ears to be repokaced by another
$ type SYS$SYSROOT:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP.LOG;38
%%%%%%%%%%%%                   28-DEC-2020 12:28:56.19  %%%%%%%%%%%%
%TCPIP-I-SMTP_LOGSUC, using log file
TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON:TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP.LOG
%%%%%%%%%%%%                   28-DEC-2020 12:28:56.22  %%%%%%%%%%%%
%TCPIP-I-SMTP_SYMBRUN, symbiont is running the queue TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP_1
_VSIALP$DKA100:[TOWNLEYC]20122812391730_TOWNLEYC-131.TCPIP_VSIALP;1
Requeued.
_VSIALP$DKA100:[TOWNLEYC]20122812391730_TOWNLEYC-131.TCPIP_VSIALP;1
Requeued.
_VSIALP$DKA100:[TOWNLEYC]20122812391730_TOWNLEYC-131.TCPIP_VSIALP;1
Requeued.
Which is not much use!
$ tcpip show config smtp /full
SMTP Configuration
Options
Initial interval:   0 00:30:00.00       Address_max:    16 EIGHT_BIT
Retry interval:     0 01:00:00.00       Hop_count_max:  16       RELAY
Maximum interval:   3 00:00:00.00 TOP_HEADERS
Timeout             Initial       Mail    Receipt       Data  Terminate
   Send:                   5          5          5          3         10
   Receive:                5
Alternate gateway:  RELAY.PLUS.NET
General gateway:    RELAY.PLUS.NET
Substitute domain:  not defined
Zone:               not defined
Postmaster:         TCPIP$SMTP
Log file:           SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG
Generic queue       Queues   Participating nodes
TCPIP$SMTP_VSIALP_00   1     VSIALP
$
where RELAY.PLUS.NET is my ISPs SMTP server - they do not require
authentication if coming from one of their addresses.
cHRIS
Have you tried to run a manual SMTP session?
$ telnet RELAY.PLUS.NET /port=25
Failed at the first hurdle - Host not found.
Right... But then a simple "ping" to relay.plus.net would
have failed too, not? You never tried that?

As with all fault tracing, start in the simple end... :-)
Chris Townley
2020-12-28 16:30:52 UTC
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Post by Jan-Erik Söderholm
Right... But then a simple "ping" to relay.plus.net would
have failed too, not? You never tried that?
As with all fault tracing, start in the simple end... :-)
Yep - mea culpa!

The routing was fine when I set up the node - I just switched to a
static IP as somebody suggested, as it would not puck an assigned IP
address from my DHCP server.

These days one assumes the basics just work!

But thanks for your help


Chris
Grant Taylor
2020-12-28 18:43:37 UTC
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These days one assumes the basics just work!
Trust, /but/ *verify*.
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Simon Clubley
2020-12-30 14:01:46 UTC
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Post by Chris Townley
The routing was fine when I set up the node - I just switched to a
static IP as somebody suggested, as it would not puck an assigned IP
address from my DHCP server.
These days one assumes the basics just work!
_Never_ assume the basics just work when it comes to VMS. :-)

Simon.
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Dave Froble
2020-12-30 17:46:26 UTC
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These days one assumes the basics just work!
As ever, "ass u me" is to be avoided ...
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Bill Gunshannon
2020-12-28 18:43:29 UTC
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Post by Jan-Erik Söderholm
Post by Chris Townley
Post by Jan-Erik Söderholm
Have you tried to run a manual SMTP session?
$ telnet RELAY.PLUS.NET /port=25
Failed at the first hurdle - Host not found.
Right... But then a simple "ping" to relay.plus.net would
have failed too, not? You never tried that?
As with all fault tracing, start in the simple end... :-)
Actually, I would expect pretty much everything to fail at PING today.
It's kinda like FINGER. :-)

bill
Grant Taylor
2020-12-28 18:46:06 UTC
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Post by Bill Gunshannon
Actually, I would expect pretty much everything to fail at PING today.
Why do you say that?

I'd say that ping works > 80% of the time for me.

It may be rate limited or only allow specific ICMP message types
through, but -- at least for me -- echo request and echo reply are more
reliable today than than they were 20 years ago.

Filtering ICMP has a number of negatives that cause problems for other
things.
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Simon Clubley
2020-12-30 14:06:07 UTC
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Post by Grant Taylor
Post by Bill Gunshannon
Actually, I would expect pretty much everything to fail at PING today.
Why do you say that?
I'd say that ping works > 80% of the time for me.
It may be rate limited or only allow specific ICMP message types
through, but -- at least for me -- echo request and echo reply are more
reliable today than than they were 20 years ago.
Filtering ICMP has a number of negatives that cause problems for other
things.
For security reasons, some people tend to disable ping access to
their servers from external network sources.

If ping fails, try traceroute. Even if you don't get to the target
server, you at least get to verify that the local part of your network
setup is working.

Simon.
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Grant Taylor
2020-12-30 18:46:51 UTC
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Post by Simon Clubley
For security reasons, some people tend to disable ping access to
their servers from external network sources.
I question the legitimacy of the purported security reasons.

Also, "some people" and "tend to" do not add up to "pretty much everything".
Post by Simon Clubley
If ping fails, try traceroute. Even if you don't get to the target
server, you at least get to verify that the local part of your network
setup is working.
Maybe. Maybe not.
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