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New OpenVMS licenses should be based on life of box, not time
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ultr...@gmail.com
2021-06-22 11:48:46 UTC
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you will never grow OpenVMS on that basis
Jan-Erik Söderholm
2021-06-22 12:04:32 UTC
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you will never grow OpenVMS on that basis
What does "that" refer to? The subject of the post?
Simon Clubley
2021-06-22 12:06:05 UTC
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you will never grow OpenVMS on that basis
You've only just found out about this _now_ Bob ? :-)

Everyone else has been getting seriously wound up about this since
the middle of last year.

You shouldn't worry about growing VMS with this new licencing scheme
however as the new licencing scheme is a _really_ efficient way to
kill VMS IMHO given the alternatives which are available these days.

Simon.
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Bill Gunshannon
2021-06-22 12:22:31 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
you will never grow OpenVMS on that basis
You've only just found out about this _now_ Bob ? :-)
Everyone else has been getting seriously wound up about this since
the middle of last year.
You shouldn't worry about growing VMS with this new licencing scheme
however as the new licencing scheme is a _really_ efficient way to
kill VMS IMHO given the alternatives which are available these days.
VMS isn't going to grow. It has become a cash cow and the new
pricing fits that model just fine. The only interest is in trying
to maintain those users who are still locked into VMS. The bean
counters will see that the number continues to slide.

bill
Simon Clubley
2021-06-22 13:03:42 UTC
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Post by Bill Gunshannon
VMS isn't going to grow. It has become a cash cow and the new
pricing fits that model just fine. The only interest is in trying
to maintain those users who are still locked into VMS. The bean
counters will see that the number continues to slide.
Trying to maintain the existing user base by switching to a licence
that will suddenly stop working sometime after VSI goes bust is a
rather poor way to do that IMHO given the alternatives available
to those customers (and given the fact that porting toolkits exist
to move from VMS to Linux).

VSI also offers to help with porting from VMS to Linux/Unix/Windows BTW
(along with other stay-on-VMS targets):

https://vmssoftware.com/services/migration-services/

Simon.
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Arne Vajhøj
2021-06-22 13:38:17 UTC
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VMS isn't going to grow.  It has become a cash cow and the new
pricing fits that model just fine. The only interest is in trying
to maintain those users who are still locked into VMS.  The bean
counters will see that the number continues to slide.
I do believe VSI would like to see VMS grow.

But it is a challenging task.

First they need to get VMS x86-64 done and rolled out.

Then they need to upgrade a bunch of things to make VMS
a more attractive platform.

And first then it is realistic to try and grow VMS.

Arne
Simon Clubley
2021-06-22 17:23:58 UTC
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I do believe VSI would like to see VMS grow.
But it is a challenging task.
First they need to get VMS x86-64 done and rolled out.
Then they need to upgrade a bunch of things to make VMS
a more attractive platform.
And first then it is realistic to try and grow VMS.
But as I mentioned in another message, VSI are actively offering
on their website to help customers move from VMS to Linux/Unix/Windows.

That's extremely mixed messaging (to put it mildly) given that they
are also the company porting VMS to x86-64.

That's like Microsoft offering to help you move to Linux. Can you
imagine what the reaction would be like if Microsoft actually did that ?

Simon.
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Arne Vajhøj
2021-06-22 17:43:41 UTC
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Post by Simon Clubley
Post by Arne Vajhøj
I do believe VSI would like to see VMS grow.
But it is a challenging task.
First they need to get VMS x86-64 done and rolled out.
Then they need to upgrade a bunch of things to make VMS
a more attractive platform.
And first then it is realistic to try and grow VMS.
But as I mentioned in another message, VSI are actively offering
on their website to help customers move from VMS to Linux/Unix/Windows.
That's extremely mixed messaging (to put it mildly) given that they
are also the company porting VMS to x86-64.
That's like Microsoft offering to help you move to Linux. Can you
imagine what the reaction would be like if Microsoft actually did that ?
MS actually does offer lots of stuff for migrating to Linux.

But typical it does involved some MS software.

Arne
Jan-Erik Söderholm
2021-06-22 18:57:12 UTC
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Post by Arne Vajhøj
I do believe VSI would like to see VMS grow.
But it is a challenging task.
First they need to get VMS x86-64 done and rolled out.
Then they need to upgrade a bunch of things to make VMS
a more attractive platform.
And first then it is realistic to try and grow VMS.
But as I mentioned in another message, VSI are actively offering
on their website to help customers move from VMS to Linux/Unix/Windows.
Actively and actively... They can help if someone asks.
Post by Simon Clubley
That's extremely mixed messaging (to put it mildly) given that they
are also the company porting VMS to x86-64.
Now, *if* someone wants help to port of VMS, why shouldn't VSI get
the money for that? They are probably very well suited to help.
Doesn't bother me...
Post by Simon Clubley
That's like Microsoft offering to help you move to Linux. Can you
imagine what the reaction would be like if Microsoft actually did that ?
Simon.
John Dallman
2021-06-22 20:18:00 UTC
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Post by Simon Clubley
But as I mentioned in another message, VSI are actively offering
on their website to help customers move from VMS to
Linux/Unix/Windows.
Some VMS users will have compelling reasons to move, and VSI might as
well get some money from them.
Post by Simon Clubley
That's like Microsoft offering to help you move to Linux. Can you
imagine what the reaction would be like if Microsoft actually did that ?
Another part is reassurance. If Joe Customer will have to re-architect
his systems to move off VMS, he knows that will be expensive. If he feels
he might get trapped on VMS, he's going to be keen to escape that trap
before it closes. But if VMS has a future, /and/ he can get help if
something external forces him to move, then he doesn't feel trapped and
can look at x86 VMS on its merits.

John
ultr...@gmail.com
2021-06-23 01:51:13 UTC
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Post by Simon Clubley
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you will never grow OpenVMS on that basis
You've only just found out about this _now_ Bob ? :-)
Everyone else has been getting seriously wound up about this since
the middle of last year.
You shouldn't worry about growing VMS with this new licencing scheme
however as the new licencing scheme is a _really_ efficient way to
kill VMS IMHO given the alternatives which are available these days.
Simon.
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Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.
no just stating the obvious

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