Post by Arne Vajhøj Post by Marc Van Dyck Post by Jan-Erik Söderholm Post by Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
My guess is that the number who would like Oracle Classic on VMS is much
smaller. Can you point to even one person?
I'v got a private message (and I think it was mentioned in the event
yesterday from France) that at least two custerers in France have said
that they will leave VMS due to Oracle "Classic" leaving VMS.
I'm one of them. Without the Oracle Client, OpenVMS where I work
is dead. Fortunately I'll be retired before that. But VSI can write
off 25 systems that will never be migrated to X86.
How is Oracle policy regarding client version vs server version?
Does server version N require client version N or do they support
client N-1 to N or N-2 to N or?
Do you need supported client library?
I saw many questions, I'll try to answer them all here.
We are on 11 with the client on OpenVMS and on 12 with the databases
on dedicated Linux servers. Now those servers can migrate to 19 and
compatibility is ensured. But :
- Oracle support for 11 will end in 2022 and we are a regulated
which implies mandatory support for software products. A waiver for a
year or two can be possible, but not more than that;
- Oracle roadmap says end of support for 19 will be in 2027;
- And no client on X86 means that we'll stay on Itanium in any case,
which means 2025 unless promises by HPE to extend the support beyond
Databases run on dedicated servers and are accessed by a lot of
different application systems, running on HP-UX, AIX, Solaris, Linux,
Windows... and VMS.
This diversity is caused by the fact that our company is the result of
series of mergers from which we inherited radically different IT
Manpower and budget to harmonize all that simply did not exist, and so
we focused on easy gains first, and VMS was not one of them : we have
more than 30 years of continuous application software development
running on those platforms. ACMS, DECforms, FMS, lots of RMS indexed
files, you name it... Last time a migration was estimated, it arrived
more than 200 man.years of work.
Migrating, over time, all data to Oracle was one of our most successful
consolidations strategies, and I do not see us abandoning that
any time soon, and certainly not for preserving the OpenVMS platform
which is already seen as a peeble in their shoe by many of our
So yes, the Oracle support is definitely political, while the survival
of VMS, until now, is more the result of a cost-based decision.
I already had no doubt that OpenVMS would finally disappear from our
IT landscape, but was secretely hoping that the X86 migration would
re-vitalize it a bit, and give it some 10 more years of existence.
And, while I'm at it, VMS on the desktop has never been a thing in this
company, only my team of system managers ever had it (XP900, then
RX2600). All other people accessing VMS hosts do it from Windows
desktops, and this till the end of VT terminals. Most of the work done
by our VMS hosts is batch oriented.
Marc Van Dyck