Anything of interest from the Bootcamp ?

[Simon Clubley]

Has anything of special interest been revealed at the Bootcamp ?

Thanks,

Simon.

[Robert A. Brooks]

Post by Simon Clubley
Has anything of special interest been revealed at the Bootcamp ?

There will be a boot camp in Malmo, Sweden next May, and another boot camp next year in the US around this same time next year.

[Arne Vajhøj]

Post by Robert A. Brooks

Post by Simon Clubley
Has anything of special interest been revealed at the Bootcamp ?

There will be a boot camp in Malmo, Sweden next May, and another boot
camp next year in the US around this same time next year.

Curious.

Why the "wrong" side of Øresund?

Because there are still VMS users in Sweden and not in Denmark?

(no practical impact - from Copenhagen to Malmö is just 38 minutes
by train - and it is just 23 minutes from the airport to Malmö
compared to the 15 minutes to Copenhagen)

Arne

[Lawrence D'Oliveiro]

There will be a boot camp in Malmo ...

Isn’t that Malmö?

[Chris Townley]

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro

There will be a boot camp in Malmo ...

Isn’t that Malmö?

What the F*k is that about?

Bloody trolls...

[Arne Vajhøj]

Post by Chris Townley

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro

There will be a boot camp in Malmo ...

Isn’t that Malmö?

What the F*k is that about?

He is referring to the fact that the city's name in
all languages except Danish is Malmö (in Danish it is
Malmø).

ö = \u00F6
ø = \u00F8

I suspect that Robert neither know these letters nor has a keyboard
setup to enter them.

So he just used Malmo.

The official translation to English alphabet of both ö and ø is oe,
but few outside Scandinavia knows that - heck even many in Scandinavia
doesn't know that.

And it gets really funny when a 8 to 7 bit conversion strip the
high bit so ö -> v and ø -> x.

Arne

[Chris Townley]

Post by Arne Vajhøj

Post by Chris Townley

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro

There will be a boot camp in Malmo ...

Isn’t that Malmö?

What the F*k is that about?

He is referring to the fact that the city's name in
all languages except Danish is Malmö (in Danish it is
Malmø).
ö = \u00F6
ø = \u00F8
I suspect that Robert neither know these letters nor has a keyboard
setup to enter them.
So he just used Malmo.
The official translation to English alphabet of both ö and ø is oe,
but few outside Scandinavia knows that - heck even many in Scandinavia
doesn't know that.
And it gets really funny when a 8 to 7 bit conversion strip the
high bit so ö -> v and ø -> x.
Arne

I was aware of some of that, but it is typical troll behaviour - nitpicking.

Most of us are getting fed up with him (as are many usenet groups) but
you just play to him. Don't feed him!

[bill]

Post by Chris Townley

Post by Arne Vajhøj

Post by Chris Townley

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro

There will be a boot camp in Malmo ...

Isn’t that Malmö?

What the F*k is that about?

He is referring to the fact that the city's name in
all languages except Danish is Malmö (in Danish it is
Malmø).
ö = \u00F6
ø = \u00F8
I suspect that Robert neither know these letters nor has a keyboard
setup to enter them.
So he just used Malmo.
The official translation to English alphabet of both ö and ø is oe,
but few outside Scandinavia knows that - heck even many in Scandinavia
doesn't know that.
And it gets really funny when a 8 to 7 bit conversion strip the
high bit so ö -> v and ø -> x.
Arne

I was aware of some of that, but it is typical troll behaviour - nitpicking.
Most of us are getting fed up with him (as are many usenet groups) but
you just play to him. Don't feed him!

Or just ignore him.

bill

[Lawrence D'Oliveiro]

Post by Arne Vajhøj
I suspect that Robert neither know these letters nor has a keyboard
setup to enter them.

Ironic, isn’t it, that DEC has long had a presence in Western Europe. And
it had its “DEC Multinational Character Set” in the days before Unicode.

But it seems that’s all gone now, and even long-time DEC fans have lost
the ability to deal with that.

[Arne Vajhøj]

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro

Post by Arne Vajhøj
I suspect that Robert neither know these letters nor has a keyboard
setup to enter them.

Ironic, isn’t it, that DEC has long had a presence in Western Europe. And
it had its “DEC Multinational Character Set” in the days before Unicode.
But it seems that’s all gone now, and even long-time DEC fans have lost
the ability to deal with that.

Nobody has lost anything. Same situation as back then.
Just software instead of hardware. And therefore
easier.

With a VT220 you needed a swedish/danish keyboard instead
of the US keyboard.

With a Windows PC you need swedish/danish keyboard
installed instead of US keyboard installed. Well - one
can have multiple keyboards installed which makes it
a little easier to switch. And there is the Character
Map thingy exposing everything.

Arne

[Arne Vajhøj]

Post by Arne Vajhøj
With a VT220 you needed a swedish/danish keyboard instead
of the US keyboard.

With VT420 I believe there was a compose key that
allowed entering numeric code.

Arne

[Lawrence D'Oliveiro]

With a VT220 you needed a swedish/danish keyboard instead of the US
keyboard.
With a Windows PC you need swedish/danish keyboard installed instead of
US keyboard installed.

X11 introduced ðe Compose key decades ago. I þink DEC had keyboards wiþ an
“Alt Gr” key, didn’t ðey?

Note ðat I can type characters like “øöéûçñı” wiþout þe need for anyþing
more ðan ðe standard US keyboard we use in NZ.

[Arne Vajhøj]

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro

With a VT220 you needed a swedish/danish keyboard instead of the US
keyboard.
With a Windows PC you need swedish/danish keyboard installed instead of
US keyboard installed.

X11 introduced ðe Compose key decades ago. I þink DEC had keyboards wiþ an
“Alt Gr” key, didn’t ðey?

As I remember it then it was VT400 that added compose key (alt gr is
a PC thing).

But I do not remember (or never knew) if 'ø' was compose 'o' '/' or
compose 'f' '8'.

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Note ðat I can type characters like “øöéûçñı” wiþout þe need for anyþing
more ðan ðe standard US keyboard we use in NZ.

Software allows for a lot. But people need to know how to use it
or end up with garbage.

Arne

[Lawrence D'Oliveiro]

Post by Arne Vajhøj
But I do not remember (or never knew) if 'ø' was compose 'o' '/' or
compose 'f' '8'.

Either compose-o-/ or compose-/-o.

The standard sequences come from
/usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose, but you can define your own.

[Chris Townley]

Post by Arne Vajhøj
As I remember it then it was VT400 that added compose key (alt gr is
a PC thing).
But I do not remember (or never knew) if 'ø' was compose 'o' '/' or
compose 'f' '8'.

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Note ðat I can type characters like “øöéûçñı” wiþout þe need for anyþing
more ðan ðe standard US keyboard we use in NZ.

Software allows for a lot. But people need to know how to use it
or end up with garbage.
Arne

ISTR the compose key was there from VT200 onwards. Very useful if you
could remember the code - or look it up!

[Arne Vajhøj]

Post by Chris Townley

Post by Arne Vajhøj
As I remember it then it was VT400 that added compose key (alt gr is
a PC thing).
But I do not remember (or never knew) if 'ø' was compose 'o' '/' or
compose 'f' '8'.

ISTR the compose key was there from VT200 onwards. Very useful if you
could remember the code - or look it up!

My memory must be failing me then. I thought it was with VT420.

But it is a long time since I worked on a VT320.

Arne

[Arne Vajhøj]

Post by Robert A. Brooks

Post by Simon Clubley
Has anything of special interest been revealed at the Bootcamp ?

There will be a boot camp in Malmo, Sweden next May, and another boot
camp next year in the US around this same time next year.

The dates are now public:

https://events.vmssoftware.com/postbootcamp-2024

scrolling down it says:

<quote>
We’re excited to announce the next OpenVMS Bootcamp! Mark your calendars
for May 13-15, 2025, in Malmö, Sweden.
</quote>

Arne

[William Cox]

Post by Simon Clubley
Has anything of special interest been revealed at the Bootcamp ?
Thanks,
Simon.

I don't believe that any real "secrets" were revealed at the bootcamp. All
of the presentations will be posted on the website.

It was quite interesting. I was surprised by the number of attendees from
outside the US. Most were from Europe, but I met a couple from Chile as
well. And, although it was a decidedly older crowd there were a few
youngsters. Not many though.

bill