Guess the VMS Basic for x86-64 release date

[Simon Clubley]

https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831

Now we just need Basic among the native languages.

Let's have a bit of fun. :-)

When will Basic be released ?

My guess is 15-Jan-2024.

Simon.

[Arne Vajhøj]

Post by Simon Clubley

https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831

Now we just need Basic among the native languages.

Let's have a bit of fun. :-)
When will Basic be released ?
My guess is 15-Jan-2024.

1-Nov-2023

Arne

[Brian Schenkenberger]

Post by Simon Clubley

https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831

Now we just need Basic among the native languages.

Let's have a bit of fun. :-)
When will Basic be released ?
My guess is 15-Jan-2024.
Simon.

In the year 2525...

[Jan-Erik Söderholm]

Post by Brian Schenkenberger

Post by Simon Clubley

https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831

Now we just need Basic among the native languages.

Let's have a bit of fun. :-)
When will Basic be released ?
My guess is 15-Jan-2024.
Simon.

In the year 2525...

The best guess!
Idiotic competion...

[Simon Clubley]

Post by Jan-Erik Söderholm
The best guess!
Idiotic competion...

Why ?

Basic is the last of the native compilers to be released and hence will
mark another step on the way to x86-64 VMS being production-ready when
it is finally released.

It's no different than first-boot, but for the compilers instead of VMS
itself.

Or did you think the first-boot contest was idiotic as well ? :-)

BTW, Jan-Erik, you could always stop being grumpy and add your guess
to the list instead... :-)

Simon.

[John H Reinhardt]

Post by Brian Schenkenberger

Post by Simon Clubley

https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831

Now we just need Basic among the native languages.

Let's have a bit of fun. :-)
When will Basic be released ?
My guess is 15-Jan-2024.
Simon.

In the year 2525...

If OpenVMS is still alive,
If VSI can survive
They may find...

[bill]

Post by Brian Schenkenberger

Post by Simon Clubley

https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831

Now we just need Basic among the native languages.

Let's have a bit of fun. :-)
When will Basic be released ?
My guess is 15-Jan-2024.
Simon.

In the year 2525...

But only if man is still alive....

bill

[Simon Clubley]

Post by bill

Post by Brian Schenkenberger

Post by Simon Clubley

https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831

Now we just need Basic among the native languages.

Let's have a bit of fun. :-)
When will Basic be released ?
My guess is 15-Jan-2024.
Simon.

In the year 2525...

But only if man is still alive....

Three women keep hope alive...

Simon.

PS: Bill, you now don't get to accuse me of being off topic for at least
6 months... :-)

[bill]

Post by Simon Clubley

Post by bill

Post by Brian Schenkenberger

Post by Simon Clubley

https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831

Now we just need Basic among the native languages.

Let's have a bit of fun. :-)
When will Basic be released ?
My guess is 15-Jan-2024.
Simon.

In the year 2525...

But only if man is still alive....

Three women keep hope alive...
Simon.
PS: Bill, you now don't get to accuse me of being off topic for at least
6 months... :-)

I have never accused anyone of being off topic. When a topic drifts off
too far or just gets boring I merely ignore it.

bill

[Rich Jordan]

Post by Simon Clubley

Post by bill

Post by Brian Schenkenberger

Post by Simon Clubley

https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831

Now we just need Basic among the native languages.

Let's have a bit of fun. :-)
When will Basic be released ?
My guess is 15-Jan-2024.
Simon.

In the year 2525...

But only if man is still alive....

Three women keep hope alive...
Simon.
PS: Bill, you now don't get to accuse me of being off topic for at least
6 months... :-)

I have never accused anyone of being off topic. When a topic drifts off
too far or just gets boring I merely ignore it.
bill

Apparently did not make the 11/30 monthly product update, though field tests for four other compilers did.

Got a customer who is hanging on an x86 changeover waiting for BASIC, and another customer who is considering it (currently on VSI on integrity) for that glorious release.

[John Reagan]

Post by Simon Clubley

https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831

Now we just need Basic among the native languages.

Let's have a bit of fun. :-)
When will Basic be released ?
My guess is 15-Jan-2024.
Simon.
--
Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

Write your guess on the back of a $100 bill and send it to me

We have resolved one of the difficult issues with BASIC MAP statements
and can actually pass a significant number of tests. However, we still have
a few more things to track down before I would say it is useful.

We're actually trying to refresh other compilers this month as well. Too
many things to keep track off including a fresh set of COBOL issues
and working on the debugger & DWARF generation.

[Arne Vajhøj]

Post by John Reagan
We're actually trying to refresh other compilers this month as well. Too
many things to keep track off including a fresh set of COBOL issues
and working on the debugger & DWARF generation.

Am I right in assuming that you have gotten more compiler error reports
since you released the x86-64 native compilers for field test to
hobbyists than the previous 20 years?

Arne

[John Reagan]

Post by Arne Vajhøj

Post by John Reagan
We're actually trying to refresh other compilers this month as well. Too
many things to keep track off including a fresh set of COBOL issues
and working on the debugger & DWARF generation.

Am I right in assuming that you have gotten more compiler error reports
since you released the x86-64 native compilers for field test to
hobbyists than the previous 20 years?
Arne

Just 20 years? Sure. There hasn't been many major revisions since 2003.
However, I certainly remember large numbers of bugs from our first years
with GEM compilers (both with frontends not generating the correct GEM
IR and with GEM doing incorrect optmizations). I can remember the early
days and Pascal having over 75 open bugs against it. Today I think I have
5 or 6 (not counting the ones I know about that nobody has reported yet)

[Simon Clubley]

Post by John Reagan

Post by Arne Vajhøj

Post by John Reagan
We're actually trying to refresh other compilers this month as well. Too
many things to keep track off including a fresh set of COBOL issues
and working on the debugger & DWARF generation.

Am I right in assuming that you have gotten more compiler error reports
since you released the x86-64 native compilers for field test to
hobbyists than the previous 20 years?
Arne

Just 20 years? Sure. There hasn't been many major revisions since 2003.
However, I certainly remember large numbers of bugs from our first years
with GEM compilers (both with frontends not generating the correct GEM
IR and with GEM doing incorrect optmizations). I can remember the early
days and Pascal having over 75 open bugs against it. Today I think I have
5 or 6 (not counting the ones I know about that nobody has reported yet)

Well, that certainly speaks to hobbyists being an actual asset to VSI,
and not just some overhead to be tolerated.

Hobbyists are also likely to do things that production users may not, and
hence discover more things, so that's another asset source to VSI right
there.

Simon.

[Arne Vajhøj]

Post by Simon Clubley

Post by John Reagan

Post by Arne Vajhøj

Post by John Reagan
We're actually trying to refresh other compilers this month as well. Too
many things to keep track off including a fresh set of COBOL issues
and working on the debugger & DWARF generation.

Am I right in assuming that you have gotten more compiler error reports
since you released the x86-64 native compilers for field test to
hobbyists than the previous 20 years?

Just 20 years? Sure. There hasn't been many major revisions since 2003.
However, I certainly remember large numbers of bugs from our first years
with GEM compilers (both with frontends not generating the correct GEM
IR and with GEM doing incorrect optmizations). I can remember the early
days and Pascal having over 75 open bugs against it. Today I think I have
5 or 6 (not counting the ones I know about that nobody has reported yet)

Well, that certainly speaks to hobbyists being an actual asset to VSI,
and not just some overhead to be tolerated.

Yes. Having hobbyists find compiler bugs building open source seems
beneficial to having paying customers finding the same bugs building
their business critical applications seems like a very good thing
for VSI.

Post by Simon Clubley
Hobbyists are also likely to do things that production users may not, and
hence discover more things, so that's another asset source to VSI right
there.

Probably not in the compiler space.

But definitely in the HW/VM support space.

Arne

[Ian Miller]

Post by John Reagan

Post by Simon Clubley

https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831

Now we just need Basic among the native languages.

Let's have a bit of fun. :-)
When will Basic be released ?
My guess is 15-Jan-2024.
Simon.
--
Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

Write your guess on the back of a $100 bill and send it to me
We have resolved one of the difficult issues with BASIC MAP statements
and can actually pass a significant number of tests. However, we still have
a few more things to track down before I would say it is useful.
We're actually trying to refresh other compilers this month as well. Too
many things to keep track off including a fresh set of COBOL issues
and working on the debugger & DWARF generation.

recreating the work of Aulë in generating dwarves will be difficult. Do you have access to the Flame Imperishable? :-)

[Jouk Jansen]

Post by John Reagan
We're actually trying to refresh other compilers this month as well.

Looking forward to that; Hope it will include support for standard "double
precision" complex function in Fortran.

Jouk


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Post by Jouk Jansen

Post by John Reagan
We're actually trying to refresh other compilers this month as well.

Looking forward to that; Hope it will include support for standard "double
precision" complex function in Fortran.
Jouk

Unfortunately, that requires a coordinated change with the compilers and
some RTLs (including math library). COMPLEX*16 (a struct with two
REAL*8 fields) returns in a pair of floating registers in the calling conventions
on x86. On Alpha/Itanium, such a struct returns in a hidden argument.

It is high on the list after we roll out the rest of the compilers, revise manuals,
etc.

John