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Anyone could share the used to be free and available Charon AXP NCE ( also called PersonalAlpha) Alpha Emulator? or any other which works OK
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v***@gmail.com
2017-07-30 20:14:51 UTC
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Hi

I acquired my OpenVMS hobbyst kit and trying to find the best alpha emulator i can * pref under Linux if not windows is fine*

I saw Charon and EmuVM used to have free emulators for non commercial use but since then they removed it from their website.

Any chance someone has a copy and mind to share?

II also genuinely asked Charon and EmuVM for free copy for hobbyst use even if limited resources
* charon said the lowest they could do is a 60 day trial for 100 euros - not joking

EmuVM was way more cool and said a basic cpu(no jit) with 1 gb ram for 500 euros cheapest or a DS15 class emu and cpu config for around 3000 euros

while at the moment i can not afford none I feel EMuVM is the one I d go for if I had the money for the sincerity and understanding they have towards people like me


Is it better if I try to emulate or just try and grab something like a cheap-er DS10L if i can?

Thanks

Viktor
Simon Clubley
2017-07-30 20:18:14 UTC
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Hi
I acquired my OpenVMS hobbyst kit and trying to find the best alpha emulator
i can * pref under Linux if not windows is fine*
Try FreeAXP; it emulates a limited Alpha configuration for free.

Simon.
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Arne Vajhøj
2017-07-30 21:03:21 UTC
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Post by Simon Clubley
Post by v***@gmail.com
I acquired my OpenVMS hobbyst kit and trying to find the best alpha emulator
i can * pref under Linux if not windows is fine*
Try FreeAXP; it emulates a limited Alpha configuration for free.
Per web site it only allows up to 128 MB memory. That is not much!

Arne
Arne Vajhøj
2017-07-30 21:05:24 UTC
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Is it better if I try to emulate or just try and grab something like a cheap-er DS10L if i can?
You need a real Alpha if you want to also learn about the HW side.

And you may need to get a real Alpha if you cannot get an emulator
with a suitable config.

But for just playing around with VMS then an emulator is much easier
and simpler.

Arne
v***@gmail.com
2017-07-30 21:54:29 UTC
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Post by Arne Vajhøj
Post by v***@gmail.com
Is it better if I try to emulate or just try and grab something like a cheap-er DS10L if i can?
You need a real Alpha if you want to also learn about the HW side.
And you may need to get a real Alpha if you cannot get an emulator
with a suitable config.
But for just playing around with VMS then an emulator is much easier
and simpler.
Arne
Hi Arne

a DS10L and a DS15a would do it if i could get my hands on one?

Regards

Viktor
Jan-Erik Soderholm
2017-07-30 22:00:17 UTC
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Post by v***@gmail.com
Post by Arne Vajhøj
Post by v***@gmail.com
Is it better if I try to emulate or just try and grab something like a cheap-er DS10L if i can?
You need a real Alpha if you want to also learn about the HW side.
And you may need to get a real Alpha if you cannot get an emulator
with a suitable config.
But for just playing around with VMS then an emulator is much easier
and simpler.
Arne
Hi Arne
a DS10L and a DS15a would do it if i could get my hands on one?
Regards
Viktor
Try to get a DS10 (instead of the DS10L), better box. With the DS10L
you probably want an external storage/disk shelf.

A DS15 is a damn nice Alpha, about the fastest you can find (today).
There is a reason the DS15 (and DS25) and not particular cheap on
the second hand market, even if prices might have fallen off the
last couple of years.

I know little about emulators since I always had access to real HW.

Jan-Erik.
Arne Vajhøj
2017-07-30 23:59:35 UTC
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Post by Arne Vajhøj
Post by v***@gmail.com
Is it better if I try to emulate or just try and grab something like a cheap-er DS10L if i can?
You need a real Alpha if you want to also learn about the HW side.
And you may need to get a real Alpha if you cannot get an emulator
with a suitable config.
But for just playing around with VMS then an emulator is much easier
and simpler.
a DS10L and a DS15a would do it if i could get my hands on one?
Two most common options are:
* search Ebay
* contact Dave Turner at IslandCo

Arne
Hans Vlems
2017-07-31 15:40:49 UTC
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If you opt for real hardware then an EV6 class machine would be a good choice for several reasons. Examples: XP1000 workstation, DS10. I also have a DS15 and a DS20E but they are more noisy and power hungry. The XP1000 and DS10 support internal storage and sufficient memory to run VMS on.
I like my AlphaServer 1200 and 800 systems (both EV56) but they are large, noisy and even switched off have an expensive electricity bill. No support for gigabit ethernet cards nor USB cards either. Not sure whether they are actually supported on an EV6 system (I'm a hobbyist ...) but they do work. IIRC the DS10 and the XP1000 support the same amount of memory (2 GB) and both accept IDE and SCSI disks (68 pin SE/LVD).
Both systems are difficult to work on, cabling and components are a tight fit inside (compared to an AS1200). The DS10 is used more than the XP1000, it is my repository for layered products and serves LD disks like an infoserver.

FreeAXP was suggested but I cannot reliably run it on a Windows 8.1 system. It requires a fresh installation for each time I want to use it. May be an old bug may have been solved by now, I prefer real machines anyway :-)
It's a hobby, may cost money and no real work expected out of it...

Hans
v***@gmail.com
2017-07-31 20:29:46 UTC
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Post by Hans Vlems
If you opt for real hardware then an EV6 class machine would be a good choice for several reasons. Examples: XP1000 workstation, DS10. I also have a DS15 and a DS20E but they are more noisy and power hungry. The XP1000 and DS10 support internal storage and sufficient memory to run VMS on.
I like my AlphaServer 1200 and 800 systems (both EV56) but they are large, noisy and even switched off have an expensive electricity bill. No support for gigabit ethernet cards nor USB cards either. Not sure whether they are actually supported on an EV6 system (I'm a hobbyist ...) but they do work. IIRC the DS10 and the XP1000 support the same amount of memory (2 GB) and both accept IDE and SCSI disks (68 pin SE/LVD).
Both systems are difficult to work on, cabling and components are a tight fit inside (compared to an AS1200). The DS10 is used more than the XP1000, it is my repository for layered products and serves LD disks like an infoserver.
FreeAXP was suggested but I cannot reliably run it on a Windows 8.1 system. It requires a fresh installation for each time I want to use it. May be an old bug may have been solved by now, I prefer real machines anyway :-)
It's a hobby, may cost money and no real work expected out of it...
Hans
xp1000 even the name sounds perfect :) let me check around
Hans Vlems
2017-08-01 08:37:25 UTC
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The official name was Compaq Professional Workstation XP1000. There was also an XP900, never seen one myself though.
Hans
Paul Sture
2017-08-01 11:01:48 UTC
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Post by Hans Vlems
The official name was Compaq Professional Workstation XP1000. There
was also an XP900, never seen one myself though.
I had an XP900 at work, and using the various flavours of VUPS.COM I
could find at the time, it was decently faster than my home PWS 600au,
in spite of having a lower clock speed. My home system could still
beat it hands down for CDE startup, simply because it had 512MB RAM
vs the 128MB in the XP900.

FWIW I never managed to find a definitive list of differences between
the XP900 and XP1000.
--
Everybody has a testing environment. Some people are lucky enough to
have a totally separate environment to run production in.
Stephen Hoffman
2017-08-01 15:39:33 UTC
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Post by Paul Sture
Post by Hans Vlems
The official name was Compaq Professional Workstation XP1000. There was
also an XP900, never seen one myself though.
FWIW I never managed to find a definitive list of differences between
the XP900 and XP1000.
DEC history time... From a couple of decades ago, and definitely from
sometimes fallible memory. Mistakes are mine, no offense is intended,
etc.

This is all from several era when DEC had its own unique approach
around its products and product groups and product differentiation, and
of what comprised a server or a workstation, and of what operating
systems booted and ran on which boxes. Though many parts could be
shared across DEC groups, names such as AlphaServer, AlphaStation,
DECserver, DECstation, VS, DS, ES, GS, XP and other prefixes were
usually based on the DEC-intended customer use for the computer, and
variously on the DEC hardware group most directly responsible for the
particular product. The particular details and groups changed over
time, too. There were reorgs and product and strategy changes, too.
The DEC group that was producing Alpha workstations targeted for use
with Microsoft Windows was disbanded when the Alpha Windows effort
ended for instance, though production of Alpha server products and some
workstation variants of those servers for OpenVMS and Tru64 UNIX /
DIGITAL UNIX continued.

There tend to be larger differences between servers and workstations
now and particularly in the x86-64 space than had existed back in the
era of DEC and its Alpha systems. Back then, the biggest differences
among the Alpha boxes tended to be whether OpenVMS or Microsoft
Windows, or Tru64 UNIX / DIGITAL UNIX booted on the particular box, and
the contents of the then-current hardware and software support matrix.
Yes, there are a number of Alpha systems that will not boot OpenVMS.
There are some that will only boot using hacks. There are some that
won't work reliably. Check the relevant SPD for the official support.

XP900, DS10 and VS10 are all different names for the same system. DS10
was the server variant, the others were workstation variants.
Probably the biggest difference across that whole series is whether the
particular box has the front storage cage or not. DS10L is the same
basic parts as the DS10, with a rack form factor and rather more
limited expansion and the DS10L is not at all good for home use sans
acoustical enclosure or server closet. IIRC, DS10 and the DS series
in general was the nomenclature from the server group at DEC for
low-end servers, and that DS10 box was the basis of al of the systems
in that series, The XP900 name was from the workstation group at DEC,
and the VS900 provided an OpenVMS workstation. That all eventually
got rolled together into one product. Irrespective of the names, the
XP900, DS10 and VS10 systems differed only in the I/O options provided.

XP1000 is a completely different package and different enclosure, and
was from the DEC workstation group like most or all of the other XP
products. Most of the XP boxes and designs originally targeted
Windows, but some specific models became supported by OpenVMS or Tru64
UNIX. This is part of why the control buttons tended to be a little
odd with the XP1000 and other systems; they were intended for Windows
configurations. Most of these XP boxes could then select the button
behavior from an internal jumper or such, but the default button
behaviors for the systems intended for Microsoft Windows often weren't
those that OpenVMS folks might have expected.

XP1000 does boot and is supported with OpenVMS Alpha up through V8.4
and almost certainly boots with the VSI releases, but the SRM firmware
for that particular box is very old and specific OpenVMS patches are
required to boot OpenVMS Alpha, or the box will prompt for the time at
boot. It's a decently-expandable tower system with both internal and
front-accessible storage bay, and it's very quiet. It doesn't support
any of the server-era removable storage bricks. Internal expansion is
rather larger than what's possible with DS10-class boxes, though I'd
probably look for an external BA356-class StorageWorks box as those
make swapping storage much easier than rummaging around inside the
XP1000 enclosure. Rummaging inside an XP1000 is about the same cabling
mess for any storage-related changes or upgrades as other similar-era
tower systems, though the PCI-X slots in that box are really easy to
get to.

As per usual, make sure all of the I/O hardware is supported, and
particularly the graphics controller.

If you can scrounge one, the Radeon 7500 PCI graphics board can be
gotten to work with OpenVMS Alpha across most any EV6 Alpha system I've
encountered, and is decently fast. Avoid the ELSA GLoria Synergy
board, as that works and is supported by OpenVMS, but it's very slow.

The QuickSpecs or the DIGITAL Systems and Options Catalog (SOC) pages
for DS10 and XP1000 should still be around the net. Somewhere.
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V***@SendSpamHere.ORG
2017-08-01 15:59:39 UTC
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Post by Stephen Hoffman
particular box has the front storage cage or not. DS10L is the same
basic parts as the DS10, with a rack form factor and rather more
limited expansion and the DS10L is not at all good for home use sans
acoustical enclosure or server closet.
?? A DS10L that I have is the quietest unit I possess. My MacBook Pro, if
sitting directly on my desk, makes more vibration noise. Fortunately, the
rubber pad I set it upon cancels that. If it were not for the DS10L's front
LEDs, I wouldn't know it was powered on.
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o***@gmail.com
2017-08-01 16:19:53 UTC
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Post by Stephen Hoffman
particular box has the front storage cage or not. DS10L is the same
basic parts as the DS10, with a rack form factor and rather more
limited expansion and the DS10L is not at all good for home use sans
acoustical enclosure or server closet.
?? A DS10L that I have is the quietest unit I possess. My MacBook Pro, if
sitting directly on my desk, makes more vibration noise. Fortunately, the
rubber pad I set it upon cancels that. If it were not for the DS10L's front
LEDs, I wouldn't know it was powered on.
I go with Hoff on this one. The 1U cabinet of the DS10L means tiny noisy fans, I keep mine in an adjacent room.
V***@SendSpamHere.ORG
2017-08-01 16:29:20 UTC
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Post by Stephen Hoffman
particular box has the front storage cage or not. DS10L is the same
basic parts as the DS10, with a rack form factor and rather more
limited expansion and the DS10L is not at all good for home use sans
acoustical enclosure or server closet.
?? A DS10L that I have is the quietest unit I possess. My MacBook Pro, if
sitting directly on my desk, makes more vibration noise. Fortunately, the
rubber pad I set it upon cancels that. If it were not for the DS10L's front
LEDs, I wouldn't know it was powered on.
I go with Hoff on this one. The 1U cabinet of the DS10L means tiny noisy fans, I keep mine in an adjacent room.
I have a wire rack shelfing unit next to my desk and the DS10L sits on it.
It's quiet! Maybe you need to clean yours out once in a while. Dust tends
to accumulate. I take mine outside every change of season for cleaning with
compressed air.
--
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I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Alan Frisbie
2017-08-01 16:46:49 UTC
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Post by Stephen Hoffman
XP1000 does boot and is supported with OpenVMS Alpha up through
V8.4 and almost certainly boots with the VSI releases, but the
SRM firmware for that particular box is very old and specific
OpenVMS patches are required to boot OpenVMS Alpha, or the box
will prompt for the time at boot.
I am running V8.4 and would very much like to get a copy of those
patches. Can someone help me? My XP1000 is the only computer
in the house that doesn't recover after a power failure. :-(

Thanks,
Alan
Simon Clubley
2017-08-01 17:30:46 UTC
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Post by Alan Frisbie
Post by Stephen Hoffman
XP1000 does boot and is supported with OpenVMS Alpha up through
V8.4 and almost certainly boots with the VSI releases, but the
SRM firmware for that particular box is very old and specific
OpenVMS patches are required to boot OpenVMS Alpha, or the box
will prompt for the time at boot.
I am running V8.4 and would very much like to get a copy of those
patches. Can someone help me? My XP1000 is the only computer
in the house that doesn't recover after a power failure. :-(
I suspect very strongly you will need to pay for a contract in order
to get the patches, unless they are included in the small subset HPE
released to the hobbyist users. This is because distributing those
patches without HPE permission is now probably a violation of the
support contract T&Cs.

The same will likely be true BTW, if someone finds a critical security
issue in VMS Alpha. HPE are unlikely to release any new Alpha patches
(and you would likely have to pay for them if they did) and VSI have not
yet decided what any VSI specific hobbyist program will look like.

Simon.
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Hans Vlems
2017-08-01 20:53:51 UTC
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I'd like to have said patches too for my XP1000. And as well for my AlphaServer 1200 / Digital Server 5305 systems since the nvram hack to modify the time register stopped working in 2016, New Year day :(
Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER
2017-08-03 11:38:57 UTC
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Post by Hans Vlems
I'd like to have said patches too for my XP1000. And as well for my
AlphaServer 1200 / Digital Server 5305 systems since the nvram hack to
modify the time register stopped working in 2016, New Year day :(
That would be the VMS84A_HARDWARE ECO (included in VMS84A_UPDATE V11 upwards)
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Steven Schweda
2017-08-04 04:29:37 UTC
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I'd like to have said patches too for my XP1000. [...]
Add me to that list.
Hans Vlems
2017-08-04 10:56:15 UTC
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Ref. Peter Langstöger's last post
John H. Reinhardt
2017-08-04 14:36:40 UTC
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Post by Hans Vlems
Ref. Peter Langstöger's last post
The problem is, the hobbyist binaries for Alpha are only patched to Update 0500. So how do we get to Update 1100?

John H. Reinhardt
t***@glaver.org
2017-07-30 22:06:54 UTC
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while at the moment i can not afford none I feel EMuVM is the one I d go for if I had the money for the sincerity and understanding they have towards people like me
Is it better if I try to emulate or just try and grab something like a cheap-er DS10L if i can?
I switched from a real DS10 to AlphaVM some years ago, based on the real hardware becoming more and more troublesome. This was for personal / hobby use, but I purchased a full EmuVM license (directly from the author; that was long before they had a US distributor). I still support some DS10/DS10L systems for people, but they are also getting older and having more problems (the Alphas, not the people).

I was originally running AlphaVM on a dedicated system (Dell R710 w/ FreeBSD) and the power savings were significant, but after a recent (around a year ago) server consolidation I now run AlphaVM on my main FreeBSD system (also a Dell R710, but a top-end configuration).

The only real use I make of VMS is email (I have all my sent / received email going back 25 years) and DEC Document (I create / maintain the documentation for various products like this: https://www.glaver.org/transient/mod-6-generic.pdf ). I also host the ftp.info-zip.org web site on this system, as well as mirroring various other VMS freeware sites. Since DEC Document didn't even make it to IA64, I doubt we'll see it on x86-64 VMS.
David Froble
2017-07-31 04:03:09 UTC
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Post by v***@gmail.com
Hi
I acquired my OpenVMS hobbyst kit and trying to find the best alpha emulator i can * pref under Linux if not windows is fine*
I saw Charon and EmuVM used to have free emulators for non commercial use but since then they removed it from their website.
Any chance someone has a copy and mind to share?
II also genuinely asked Charon and EmuVM for free copy for hobbyst use even if limited resources
* charon said the lowest they could do is a 60 day trial for 100 euros - not joking
EmuVM was way more cool and said a basic cpu(no jit) with 1 gb ram for 500 euros cheapest or a DS15 class emu and cpu config for around 3000 euros
while at the moment i can not afford none I feel EMuVM is the one I d go for if I had the money for the sincerity and understanding they have towards people like me
Is it better if I try to emulate or just try and grab something like a cheap-er DS10L if i can?
Thanks
Viktor
I prefer actual HW, but then, I have some. Might be different if I didn't.

SimH will emulate a VAX. What will you be doing as a hobbyist that would
require more? The price sure is "right".

Now, if you could find a DS10 / DS10L / DS15, that would be optimum, in my opinion.

Itanics are available, and cheap. I'm trying to avoid them.
Jan-Erik Soderholm
2017-07-31 06:14:43 UTC
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Post by David Froble
Post by v***@gmail.com
Hi
I acquired my OpenVMS hobbyst kit and trying to find the best alpha
emulator i can * pref under Linux if not windows is fine*
I saw Charon and EmuVM used to have free emulators for non commercial use
but since then they removed it from their website.
Any chance someone has a copy and mind to share?
II also genuinely asked Charon and EmuVM for free copy for hobbyst use
even if limited resources * charon said the lowest they could do is a 60
day trial for 100 euros - not joking
EmuVM was way more cool and said a basic cpu(no jit) with 1 gb ram for
500 euros cheapest or a DS15 class emu and cpu config for around 3000 euros
while at the moment i can not afford none I feel EMuVM is the one I d go
for if I had the money for the sincerity and understanding they have
towards people like me
Is it better if I try to emulate or just try and grab something like a
cheap-er DS10L if i can?
Thanks
Viktor
I prefer actual HW, but then, I have some. Might be different if I didn't.
SimH will emulate a VAX. What will you be doing as a hobbyist that would
require more?
Not beeing stuck on a 20 (?) year old version of the OS and compilers?
There is of course no reason to run VAX if you do not *have* to.
Post by David Froble
The price sure is "right".
Now, if you could find a DS10 / DS10L / DS15, that would be optimum, in my opinion.
Itanics are available, and cheap. I'm trying to avoid them.
IanD
2017-08-04 02:58:37 UTC
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Post by v***@gmail.com
Hi
<snip>
Post by v***@gmail.com
II also genuinely asked Charon and EmuVM for free copy for hobbyst use even if limited resources
* charon said the lowest they could do is a 60 day trial for 100 euros - not joking
EmuVM was way more cool and said a basic cpu(no jit) with 1 gb ram for 500 euros cheapest or a DS15 class emu and cpu config for around 3000 euros
while at the moment i can not afford none I feel EMuVM is the one I d go for if I had the money for the sincerity and understanding they have towards people like me
I tried FreeAXP and others and found the memory limitation somewhat restrictive when wanting to play with RDB. There was also an issue for a while were RDB required an updated CPU which some of the emulators didn't give

EmuVM ticked all the boxes, until they removed it

I have emailed them numerous times but after getting no response for the many times I tried over a year or so, I gave up

The one response I did manage to get was in response to me asking them if they had plans for a home style license tat included buying a license but coming with no support. they said No

It's the higher memory support and more disks that gave EmuVM the thumbs up for me but they have gone silent for so long that I have given up and don't even bother to boot my small emulated cluster anymore

Access to a reasonable capacity emulator akin to EmuVM is certainly something I'd be interested in. I'd even shell out a few coins for it but in no way can afford the hefty license they want for a commercial offering. Not sure why a home license without support isn't possible :-(
Subcommandante XDelta
2017-08-30 11:43:43 UTC
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Post by v***@gmail.com
Hi
I acquired my OpenVMS hobbyst kit and trying to find the best alpha emulator i can * pref under Linux if not windows is fine*
I saw Charon and EmuVM used to have free emulators for non commercial use but since then they removed it from their website.
Any chance someone has a copy and mind to share?
II also genuinely asked Charon and EmuVM for free copy for hobbyst use even if limited resources
* charon said the lowest they could do is a 60 day trial for 100 euros - not joking
EmuVM was way more cool and said a basic cpu(no jit) with 1 gb ram for 500 euros cheapest or a DS15 class emu and cpu config for around 3000 euros
while at the moment i can not afford none I feel EMuVM is the one I d go for if I had the money for the sincerity and understanding they have towards people like me
Is it better if I try to emulate or just try and grab something like a cheap-er DS10L if i can?
Thanks
Viktor
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Viktor Madarasz
2019-11-01 10:13:43 UTC
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Thanks

Grabbed them all and works perfectly

I only missing now the same Stormasys CHARON SSP / 4U SPARC Emulator :)

but i guess thats another thread and group here...
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Post by v***@gmail.com
Hi
I acquired my OpenVMS hobbyst kit and trying to find the best alpha emulator i can * pref under Linux if not windows is fine*
I saw Charon and EmuVM used to have free emulators for non commercial use but since then they removed it from their website.
Any chance someone has a copy and mind to share?
II also genuinely asked Charon and EmuVM for free copy for hobbyst use even if limited resources
* charon said the lowest they could do is a 60 day trial for 100 euros - not joking
EmuVM was way more cool and said a basic cpu(no jit) with 1 gb ram for 500 euros cheapest or a DS15 class emu and cpu config for around 3000 euros
while at the moment i can not afford none I feel EMuVM is the one I d go for if I had the money for the sincerity and understanding they have towards people like me
Is it better if I try to emulate or just try and grab something like a cheap-er DS10L if i can?
Thanks
Viktor
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Ruslan R. Laishev
2017-09-15 10:49:45 UTC
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Hi
I acquired my OpenVMS hobbyst kit and trying to find the best alpha emulator i can * pref under Linux if not windows is fine*
I saw Charon and EmuVM used to have free emulators for non commercial use but since then they removed it from their website.
Any chance someone has a copy and mind to share?
II also genuinely asked Charon and EmuVM for free copy for hobbyst use even if limited resources
* charon said the lowest they could do is a 60 day trial for 100 euros - not joking
EmuVM was way more cool and said a basic cpu(no jit) with 1 gb ram for 500 euros cheapest or a DS15 class emu and cpu config for around 3000 euros
while at the moment i can not afford none I feel EMuVM is the one I d go for if I had the money for the sincerity and understanding they have towards people like me
Is it better if I try to emulate or just try and grab something like a cheap-er DS10L if i can?
Thanks
Viktor
Hi !

A set of Alpha emulator is there:
http://starlet.vmssoftware.ru:8080/tech-stuff.htm
Viktor Madarasz
2019-10-30 13:23:34 UTC
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I came late website does not work anymore

anyone managed to grab the stuff from there and those apps from the newsserver mentioned?

Regards

Viktor
Henry Crun
2019-10-30 15:51:43 UTC
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I came late website does not work anymore
anyone managed to grab the stuff from there and those apps from the newsserver mentioned?
Regards
Viktor
Have you looked on the Backup Machine site?
There was mention of a free emulator + licenses on the VSI training site (I have not tried it)
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Viktor Madarasz
2019-10-30 19:37:42 UTC
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Hi
Post by Henry Crun
Have you looked on the Backup Machine site?
There was mention of a free emulator + licenses on the VSI training site (I have not tried it)
the goingbackwards machine site never indexed that page i checked .....

vsi training one i did not check...

I try to see and grab the newsserver files somehow and get back to you maybe you need them also
Viktor Madarasz
2019-10-30 19:39:36 UTC
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Hi

VSI Training one is with FreeAXP here is the link and info

https://training.vmssoftware.com/hobbyist/
Post by Henry Crun
Have you looked on the Backup Machine site?
There was mention of a free emulator + licenses on the VSI training site (I have not tried it)
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o***@gmail.com
2019-10-30 22:42:16 UTC
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Hi
VSI Training one is with FreeAXP here is the link and info
https://training.vmssoftware.com/hobbyist/
I notice the kit does have a digital signature this time.
Viktor Madarasz
2019-10-31 10:28:00 UTC
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Post by Viktor Madarasz
Hi
VSI Training one is with FreeAXP here is the link and info
https://training.vmssoftware.com/hobbyist/
I notice the kit does have a digital signature this time.
i grab those tonight hopefully and also dig up my hobbyst license and install on the Emulator AXP from the newsserver mentioned by VMSLF roumulan warship :)

lets see how it goes.. i prepared a Windows Server 2003 Enterprise 64bit VM just to play with this
o***@gmail.com
2019-10-31 10:50:59 UTC
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Post by o***@gmail.com
Post by Viktor Madarasz
Hi
VSI Training one is with FreeAXP here is the link and info
https://training.vmssoftware.com/hobbyist/
I notice the kit does have a digital signature this time.
i grab those tonight hopefully and also dig up my hobbyst license and install on the Emulator AXP from the newsserver mentioned by VMSLF roumulan warship :)
The OpenVMS version on the system disk included with the VSI kit requires VSI licenses. To use the HP hobbyist PAKs, you need to install an HP OpenVMS.
Viktor Madarasz
2019-10-31 15:18:02 UTC
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i think i might have a copy somewhere
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