EISNER is moving again this week

[Hunter Goatley]

EISNER will be moving again soon---as in this week, if all goes well.

In fact, the system is being replaced. VSI has hosted the physical
system for the past few years, but Process Software will be taking over
hosting, and the machine is being replaced by a vtAlpha system, thanks
to AVT and Vere Technologies, who generously donated a license for the
system.

With Rob's help, we transferred the contents of all of the disks
yesterday, and I now have virtual EISNER up and running in-house. We
still have some networking work to do before we can switch the systems,
and I'll need to re-transfer the user disks next week to pick up files
created or modified since yesterday.

Whichever day this happens, I plan to shut down access to EISNER while
we move the data and change the DNS entries. Hopefully, access to the
system will only be down for a few hours, whichever day that is.

More info later this week!

Hunter

[Dan Cross]

Post by Hunter Goatley
EISNER will be moving again soon---as in this week, if all goes well.
In fact, the system is being replaced. VSI has hosted the physical
system for the past few years, but Process Software will be taking over
hosting, and the machine is being replaced by a vtAlpha system, thanks
to AVT and Vere Technologies, who generously donated a license for the
system.
With Rob's help, we transferred the contents of all of the disks
yesterday, and I now have virtual EISNER up and running in-house. We
still have some networking work to do before we can switch the systems,
and I'll need to re-transfer the user disks next week to pick up files
created or modified since yesterday.
Whichever day this happens, I plan to shut down access to EISNER while
we move the data and change the DNS entries. Hopefully, access to the
system will only be down for a few hours, whichever day that is.
More info later this week!

Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

- Dan C.
Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

- Dan C.
Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

- Dan C.
Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

- Dan C.
Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

- Dan C.
Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

- Dan C.
Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

- Dan C.
Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

- Dan C.

[Dan Cross]

Post by Dan Cross

Post by Hunter Goatley
EISNER will be moving again soon---as in this week, if all goes well.
In fact, the system is being replaced. VSI has hosted the physical
system for the past few years, but Process Software will be taking over
hosting, and the machine is being replaced by a vtAlpha system, thanks
to AVT and Vere Technologies, who generously donated a license for the
system.
With Rob's help, we transferred the contents of all of the disks
yesterday, and I now have virtual EISNER up and running in-house. We
still have some networking work to do before we can switch the systems,
and I'll need to re-transfer the user disks next week to pick up files
created or modified since yesterday.
Whichever day this happens, I plan to shut down access to EISNER while
we move the data and change the DNS entries. Hopefully, access to the
system will only be down for a few hours, whichever day that is.
More info later this week!

Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?
- Dan C.
Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?
- Dan C.
Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?
- Dan C.
Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?
- Dan C.
Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?
- Dan C.
Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?
- Dan C.
Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?
- Dan C.
Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?
- Dan C.

(Oops. Dunno what happened here.... I assume I hit the
wrong button. :-/)

- Dan C.

[Arne Vajhøj]

Post by Dan Cross

Post by Hunter Goatley
EISNER will be moving again soon---as in this week, if all goes well.
In fact, the system is being replaced. VSI has hosted the physical
system for the past few years, but Process Software will be taking over
hosting, and the machine is being replaced by a vtAlpha system, thanks
to AVT and Vere Technologies, who generously donated a license for the
system.
With Rob's help, we transferred the contents of all of the disks
yesterday, and I now have virtual EISNER up and running in-house. We
still have some networking work to do before we can switch the systems,
and I'll need to re-transfer the user disks next week to pick up files
created or modified since yesterday.
Whichever day this happens, I plan to shut down access to EISNER while
we move the data and change the DNS entries. Hopefully, access to the
system will only be down for a few hours, whichever day that is.

Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

Probably some software not available on x86-64 (or Itanium
since it is Alpha).

Notes maybe.

Arne

[Simon Clubley]

Post by Arne Vajhøj
Probably some software not available on x86-64 (or Itanium
since it is Alpha).
Notes maybe.

And BASIC.

And TECO (if anyone is still using it. :-) )

And all the various Alpha binaries that people either have or are part
of the various additional tools installed on Eisner.

Simon.

[Hunter Goatley]

Post by Arne Vajhøj

Post by Dan Cross
Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

Probably some software not available on x86-64 (or Itanium
since it is Alpha).
Notes maybe.

Yes, NOTES is the primary reason. AFAIK, NOTES was never available for
I64 and isn't available for X86.

Hunter

[Robert A. Brooks]

Post by Arne Vajhøj

Post by Dan Cross
Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

Probably some software not available on x86-64 (or Itanium
since it is Alpha).
Notes maybe.

Yes, NOTES is the primary reason. AFAIK, NOTES was never available for I64 and isn't available for X86.

Notes is available on IA64; still under development on X86 -- hasn't risen to the top of anyone's priority list yet.

[Dan Cross]

Post by Robert A. Brooks

Post by Arne Vajhøj

Post by Dan Cross
Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

Probably some software not available on x86-64 (or Itanium
since it is Alpha).
Notes maybe.

Yes, NOTES is the primary reason. AFAIK, NOTES was never available for I64 and isn't available for X86.

Notes is available on IA64; still under development on X86 -- hasn't risen to the top of anyone's priority list yet.

Thanks for confirming. I'm happy to hear that it's at
least on the radar; Notes is very nice.

- Dan C.

[Hunter Goatley]

Post by Robert A. Brooks
Notes is available on IA64; still under development on X86 -- hasn't
risen to the top of anyone's priority list yet.

Good to know! Thanks.

Hunter

[Arne Vajhøj]

Post by Robert A. Brooks

 >
 >> Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?
 >
 > Probably some software not available on x86-64 (or Itanium
 > since it is Alpha).
 >
 > Notes maybe.
Yes, NOTES is the primary reason. AFAIK, NOTES was never available for
I64 and isn't available for X86.

Notes is available on IA64;

In final?

Freeware CD 7.0 has:
* 2.5 for VAX and Alpha
* 2.6 Field Test for Alpha and Itanium

Post by Robert A. Brooks
still under development on X86 -- hasn't
risen to the top of anyone's priority list yet.

Probably never will.

I consider the VT version obsolete for 30 years and the
DECWindows/MSWindows version obsolete for 20 years.

Arne

[Robert A. Brooks]

Post by Arne Vajhøj

Post by Robert A. Brooks
Notes is available on IA64;

In final?

I suspect there is little difference between the IA64 FT version and
a final version.

Post by Arne Vajhøj
* 2.5 for VAX and Alpha
* 2.6 Field Test for Alpha and Itanium

Post by Robert A. Brooks
still under development on X86 -- hasn't risen to the top of anyone's priority list yet.

Probably never will.
I consider the VT version obsolete for 30 years and the
DECWindows/MSWindows version obsolete for 20 years.

We rely on Notes as part of the source management system, so yeah, it'll get done.

[Arne Vajhøj]

Post by Robert A. Brooks

Post by Arne Vajhøj

Post by Robert A. Brooks
Notes is available on IA64;

In final?

I suspect there is little difference between the IA64 FT version and
a final version.

I believe that.

No bug reports and FT becomes final.

Post by Robert A. Brooks

Post by Arne Vajhøj
* 2.5 for VAX and Alpha
* 2.6 Field Test for Alpha and Itanium

Post by Robert A. Brooks
still under development on X86 -- hasn't risen to the top of anyone's
priority list yet.

Probably never will.
I consider the VT version obsolete for 30 years and the
DECWindows/MSWindows version obsolete for 20 years.

We rely on Notes as part of the source management system, so yeah, it'll get done.

Are you at liberty to elaborate on that?

Just curious. Notes is a conference system and it is not
obvious to me how it related to source control.

Arne

[Lawrence D'Oliveiro]

Notes is a conference system and it is not obvious to me
how it related to source control.

Bug tracker? Patch submissions? Todo lists? General feature discussion?

I just hope they are using some non-crap source-management system ...

[Robert A. Brooks]

Post by Arne Vajhøj

Post by Robert A. Brooks

Post by Arne Vajhøj
I consider the VT version obsolete for 30 years and the
DECWindows/MSWindows version obsolete for 20 years.

We rely on Notes as part of the source management system, so yeah, it'll get done.

Are you at liberty to elaborate on that?
Just curious. Notes is a conference system and it is not
obvious to me how it related to source control.

We use CMS for source control. There is an Rdb-driven front end that provides
things that CMS does not, like the concept of sequential streams, and automatic
propagation through the streams. For the most part, this system works well for us.

Notes is used to contain detailed information regarding a source checking.

Depending upon the complexity of the change, the detail can be a few pages.

That, of course, is in addition to the verbose edit history that most of our
compilation units contain. When VSI started in 2014, it was very useful for me
to review stuff I'd written 10+ years before, to remind myself about how certain
areas of the code worked, and why things were done in non-obvious ways.

[Arne Vajhøj]

Post by Arne Vajhøj

Post by Robert A. Brooks

Post by Arne Vajhøj
I consider the VT version obsolete for 30 years and the
DECWindows/MSWindows version obsolete for 20 years.

We rely on Notes as part of the source management system, so yeah, it'll get done.

Are you at liberty to elaborate on that?
Just curious. Notes is a conference system and it is not
obvious to me how it related to source control.

We use CMS for source control.  There is an Rdb-driven front end that
provides
things that CMS does not, like the concept of sequential streams, and
automatic propagation through the streams.  For the most part, this
system works well for us.

That is the VDE thing available here:

https://www.digiater.nl/openvms/freeware/v70/vde/
https://www.digiater.nl/openvms/freeware/v40/vde/

?

Notes is used to contain detailed information regarding a source checking.
Depending upon the complexity of the change, the detail can be a few pages.

So sort of like a NoSQL text database with revision information?

UI based or API based?

(yes - I am a nosy person)

Arne

[Hunter Goatley]

Post by Hunter Goatley
EISNER will be moving again soon---as in this week, if all goes well.
In fact, the system is being replaced. VSI has hosted the physical
system for the past few years, but Process Software will be taking over
hosting, and the machine is being replaced by a vtAlpha system, thanks
to AVT and Vere Technologies, who generously donated a license for the
system.

It took longer than I anticipated, but EISNER has been moved from
VSI to Process Software, thanks to the vtAlpha license provided by
AVT and Vere Technologies.

I think everything is working as expected, but if you see any
problems, just send email to GOATLEY on EISNER.

Hunter
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