VMWare ESXi emulator

[Brian Schenkenberger]

WHERE IN THE WORLD DO I GET THIS STUFF?

Google leads me around and around. I've created VMSware accounts,
Broadcom accounts, gawd only knows where account, etc. I still don't
have this software to download and run this VMS X86.

- VAXman

[Arne Vajhøj]

Post by Brian Schenkenberger
WHERE IN THE WORLD DO I GET THIS STUFF?
Google leads me around and around. I've created VMSware accounts,
Broadcom accounts, gawd only knows where account, etc. I still don't
have this software to download and run this VMS X86.

ESXi - I think you call an (un)friendly sales person.

free WorkStation Pro - the link is very well hidden

https://community.broadcom.com/vmware-cloud-foundation/question/download-vmware-workstation-176

has a link - I have no idea if it is still valid.

It is also available from various non-Broadcom web sites - whether they
are legit or malware I don't know.

Arne

[MG]

Post by Brian Schenkenberger
WHERE IN THE WORLD DO I GET THIS STUFF?
Google leads me around and around. I've created VMSware accounts,
Broadcom accounts, gawd only knows where account, etc. I still don't
have this software to download and run this VMS X86.
- VAXman

Before the Broadcom acquisition the VMware website wasn't great
either, in my experience, but at least I could find some things
(also the case for the Spring developer certification courses)...

On that note, it would be good if eventually VSI also provides
support for other (Linux) virtualization hypervisors/solutions
(like e.g. KVM).

- MG

[Chris Townley]

Post by MG

Post by Brian Schenkenberger
WHERE IN THE WORLD DO I GET THIS STUFF?
Google leads me around and around. I've created VMSware accounts,
Broadcom accounts, gawd only knows where account, etc. I still don't
have this software to download and run this VMS X86.
- VAXman

Before the Broadcom acquisition the VMware website wasn't great
either, in my experience, but at least I could find some things
(also the case for the Spring developer certification courses)...
On that note, it would be good if eventually VSI also provides
support for other (Linux) virtualization hypervisors/solutions
(like e.g. KVM).

KVM is supported, as is Virtualbox

[MG]

Post by Chris Townley
KVM is supported, as is Virtualbox

Good, I didn't realize that.

- MG

[Robert A. Brooks]

Post by Chris Townley
KVM is supported, as is Virtualbox

It's a bit of a stretch to say that VirtualBox is supported.

We will not break stuff for running on VirtualBox, but it does not get
exhaustively tested the way ESXi and KVM do.

[Dan Cross]

Post by Robert A. Brooks

Post by Chris Townley
KVM is supported, as is Virtualbox

It's a bit of a stretch to say that VirtualBox is supported.
We will not break stuff for running on VirtualBox, but it does not get
exhaustively tested the way ESXi and KVM do.

Has anyone tried Bhyve?

- Dan C.

[Arne Vajhøj]

Post by Robert A. Brooks

Post by Chris Townley
KVM is supported, as is Virtualbox

It's a bit of a stretch to say that VirtualBox is supported.
We will not break stuff for running on VirtualBox, but it does not get
exhaustively tested the way ESXi and KVM do.

The message from a few weeks ago was that several VSI developers
were using VirtualBox.

That does not make it a supported config, but it makes it
likely that any VirtualBox problems will be found and fixed
before the formal test of ESXi and KVM even start.

:-)

Arne

[Robert A. Brooks]

Post by Arne Vajhøj

Post by Robert A. Brooks

Post by Chris Townley
KVM is supported, as is Virtualbox

It's a bit of a stretch to say that VirtualBox is supported.
We will not break stuff for running on VirtualBox, but it does not get
exhaustively tested the way ESXi and KVM do.

The message from a few weeks ago was that several VSI developers
were using VirtualBox.
That does not make it a supported config, but it makes it
likely that any VirtualBox problems will be found and fixed
before the formal test of ESXi and KVM even start.

While some developers do use VirtualBox, I'm pretty sure that
as many developers use KVM/ESXi as use VirtualBox, and pretty much all the
testers use either KVM or ESXi.

There is no fibre channel passthrough for VirtualBox, and that is a major
focus of our storage work now.

Specifically, we're working on Proliant Gen 11 systems with the HPE SN1610Q 32Gb
adapter. We're a bit ahead on our ESXi work compared to KVM, and have been able
to configure and mount devices on an ESXi VM, and the adapter has negotiated
with the fibre switch to communicate at 32Gb/sec, as shown by

$ SHOW DEVICE /FULL.

The older HPE SN1600Q 32Gb adapter is not supported on Gen 11 systems, nor are
any of the 16Gb adapters.

If all goes well, this support will be in the V9.2-3 Update 2 kit (not the
Update 1 kit that will be out in a bit more than a month).

[Brian Schenkenberger]

Post by Chris Townley

Post by MG

Post by Brian Schenkenberger
WHERE IN THE WORLD DO I GET THIS STUFF?
Google leads me around and around. I've created VMSware accounts,
Broadcom accounts, gawd only knows where account, etc. I still don't
have this software to download and run this VMS X86.
- VAXman

Before the Broadcom acquisition the VMware website wasn't great
either, in my experience, but at least I could find some things
(also the case for the Spring developer certification courses)...
On that note, it would be good if eventually VSI also provides
support for other (Linux) virtualization hypervisors/solutions
(like e.g. KVM).

KVM is supported, as is Virtualbox

Installed Virtualbox.

In the "Virtual machine Name and Operating System" window I entered:

Name: OpenVMS
Folder: /home/vaxman/Virtualbox VMs
ISO Image: /home/vaxman/OpenVMS/X860923OE.ISO
Type: Other
Version: Other/Unknown

I get:

OS type cannnot be determined from the selected ISO, the guest OS will
need to be installed manually.


Now, if only I could find manual installation instructions... :(

— VAXman

[Arne Vajhøj]

Post by Brian Schenkenberger

Post by Chris Townley

Post by MG

Post by Brian Schenkenberger
WHERE IN THE WORLD DO I GET THIS STUFF?
Google leads me around and around. I've created VMSware accounts,
Broadcom accounts, gawd only knows where account, etc. I still don't
have this software to download and run this VMS X86.

Before the Broadcom acquisition the VMware website wasn't great
either, in my experience, but at least I could find some things
(also the case for the Spring developer certification courses)...
On that note, it would be good if eventually VSI also provides
support for other (Linux) virtualization hypervisors/solutions
(like e.g. KVM).

KVM is supported, as is Virtualbox

Installed Virtualbox.
Name: OpenVMS
Folder: /home/vaxman/Virtualbox VMs
ISO Image: /home/vaxman/OpenVMS/X860923OE.ISO
Type: Other
Version: Other/Unknown
OS type cannnot be determined from the selected ISO, the guest OS will
need to be installed manually.
Now, if only I could find manual installation instructions... :(

Have you read VSI OpenVMS x86-64 V9.2-3 Installation Guide
section 2.3?

Have you found:
https://raymii.org/s/blog/OpenVMS_9.2_for_x86_Getting_Started.html
?

Arne

[Brian Schenkenberger]

Post by MG

Post by Brian Schenkenberger
WHERE IN THE WORLD DO I GET THIS STUFF?
Google leads me around and around. I've created VMSware accounts,
Broadcom accounts, gawd only knows where account, etc. I still don't
have this software to download and run this VMS X86.
- VAXman

Before the Broadcom acquisition the VMware website wasn't great
either, in my experience, but at least I could find some things
(also the case for the Spring developer certification courses)...
On that note, it would be good if eventually VSI also provides
support for other (Linux) virtualization hypervisors/solutions
(like e.g. KVM).
- MG

The WMware ESXi won't run under Linux? I'm not running VMS on WEENDOZE.
I'm not running WEENDOZE ever!

I just purchased an X86 Linux laptop and now I can't use it? VSI really
needs to document this evurtual emulation stuff better. I'm used to
firing up VMS on real hardware.

Grrr...

— VAXman

[Arne Vajhøj]

Post by Brian Schenkenberger
The WMware ESXi won't run under Linux? I'm not running VMS on WEENDOZE.
I'm not running WEENDOZE ever!
I just purchased an X86 Linux laptop and now I can't use it? VSI really
needs to document this evurtual emulation stuff better. I'm used to
firing up VMS on real hardware.

ESXi run on the metal. You can run your Linux and VMS on ESXi.

OR you can install Workstation Pro on Linux and run VMS on
Workstation Pro.

It sounds very much like it is Workstation Pro you want
and not ESXi.

Arne

[Subcommandante XDelta]

On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 18:53:06 -0500, Brian Schenkenberger

Post by Brian Schenkenberger
WHERE IN THE WORLD DO I GET THIS STUFF?
Google leads me around and around. I've created VMSware accounts,
Broadcom accounts, gawd only knows where account, etc. I still don't
have this software to download and run this VMS X86.
- VAXman

Check the proceedings and transactions of the comp.os.vms collegiate,
from the beginning of December.

[Brian Schenkenberger]

Post by Subcommandante XDelta
On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 18:53:06 -0500, Brian Schenkenberger

Post by Brian Schenkenberger
WHERE IN THE WORLD DO I GET THIS STUFF?
Google leads me around and around. I've created VMSware accounts,
Broadcom accounts, gawd only knows where account, etc. I still don't
have this software to download and run this VMS X86.
- VAXman

Check the proceedings and transactions of the comp.os.vms collegiate,
from the beginning of December.

Well, ever since aioe.org went south, I've been forced to use Unison on
my Mac for news. The damn Unison thing pukes up a hairball nearly every
time I touch the keyboard which is why I've been so absent here. I so
miss using newsrdr on VMS.

Anyway, after much anquish, I do dinally have VMS running on an HP
17-cn0021nr (???) laptop with Intel Quad-Core i5-10210U (???), 32GB
memory, 1TB storage and, the best of all, NO WEENDOZE!!! It arrived
with Linux Mint installed. I'm not a fan of the Mint UI but since this
will basically be a VMS "server" I don't care.

I finally got VMS to boot with the Virtualbox emulator late evening
yesterday. After little more finagling earlier this morning and I was
able to ssh into it from my Mac! I'd perfer to be able to use the Mac
as its iTerm does a fairly faithful emulation of a VT terminal and I
can use the extended keyboard too to give me a functional alternate
keypad. Now, all I need to do is get this thing working in a cluster
environment so that I can share my source code drives and get RMS-CDC
ported and maybe a few more things too!!!

— VAXman

[Lawrence D'Oliveiro]

I'm not a fan of the Mint UI ...

Which one? You realize you have a choice of more than one?