Post by calliet gÃ©rard Post by calliet gÃ©rard Post by Jan-Erik SÃ¶derholm Post by Simon Clubley Post by Jan-Erik SÃ¶derholm Post by Simon Clubley
Probably old news to some people here, but I've just seen that VSI
Anyone know anything about him and how much VMS background he has ?
Can't see that the technical background matters that much
on that "level". As long as he is a good leader in general.
You are correct Jan-Erik. It would have been more accurate for me
to say "DEC culture knowledge" instead of "VMS background".
What I was really trying to ask is how much does he know about the
DEC culture so that he can understand what VSI's customers might
expect both of him and of VSI ?
I hope he knows enough about the "cultures" from the 80s to
avoid making the same mistakes.
I think that VSIs customers of today expects VSI to live
up to standards of today, not the standards of the 80s.
I was not sure, Jan-erik, but it seems you are a little bit in some self
We all know that there are been big mistakes in 80s, and big mistakes
But Johan Gedda had a bet on VMS, because of VMS qualities. One of them
is very simple: VMS survived. I don't know if you are Darwinist, but
species who survive have special qualities. If you don't evaluate these
qualities, or if you don't make them be at the center of your operation,
you are not able to make them go on.
In the 80s there are been extraordinary good ideas, and also big
mistakes. Often you can evaluate an idea because of its originality. Our
new ceo could think about what made digital at same level of ibm in few
years, for example, and it could be a good idea to search some
transposition of the VMS good ideas of 80s to these days.
One of the wrost thing I heard last months was Mr Brown quoting Clair
Grant who would have said "we are the same as others". If we were the
same or we would be as apple, or we would be dead. We are neither. So we
are a little bit different, and we have to level on it. Don't be self
deprecate, don't be too ambitious, perhaps, just product adequate
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I don't look at this forum for a few months and first time I do I get
severely misquoted! What I say, and continue to say, is exactly what
customers keep telling us, "don't be different". They run everything
on VMware, VMS needs to be there, too. They run everything on Hyper-V,
VMS needs to be there, too. Seems very straightforward to us. IT
people constantly tell us whatever we can do to "fit in
operationally", helps to make the case for staying with VMS.
Difficult to understand, Clair, how quotting what you said and confirm
here I could have been disquotting you.
Perhaps what I didn't understand was "it is not us VSI, who don't want
to be different, it is our customers". You were just quotting them.
And me, as other customers friend, I could say there had been severly
Pure sterile rethoric, I agree.
As you know a lot more than me, this is about a difference between MUST
and MIGHT. It is evident a lot of customer have to be able to be "not
different", and go to the cloud, vmsware, and so on. And, because of
that VSI, MUST offer everything which open this possibility for them.
But - you misquotted me :) . I quotted you in a series from Mr Brown
blog where it is said - it's my summary - you MUST go to virtualisation
because everyone goes there. I cannot agree on this point. The BIG
difference I know about VMS csutomers is that for a lot of specific
questions their choices cannot be determined by "what everyones does",
even if, and I agree with you, they generally want to be more standard.
I have been a little provocative quotting you, because I was chocked
when I read that. For sure VMS has to be integrated the more it can be.
But VMS is a lot more than a thing that does the same thing as others.
And the customers I know are a lot more than common customers. If they
are still on VMS it is because they have specific qualities which match
VMS specific qualities.
The third port of VMS is as the others a thrilling experience. It is
also a very difficult business adventure. You can desagree totally on
that with me, but my opinion is this adventure cannot be successfull if
all the actors don't leverage the specific culture, methods, way of
thinking integration. It has been for me a real pain for years to see
VSI thinking VMS can be selled as any other "not so different" thing.
I'm continuing of thinking that VMS will be selled because of its very
specific qualities. I cannot be wrong.
Well, you are not wrong. If something else could replace VMS, then it
would already have done so years ago.
The reality is, there are some features in VMS, perhaps different
features for different customers, that make moving to something else,
from distasteful to impossible. (Maybe not impossible, but nearly.)
VSI must listen to the customers, and it appears they are doing so.
Consider the new Alpha releases. That wasn't in their original plans.
I was not originally a fan of VMs, VMWARE, Virtualbox, and such. I
figured they were a response to one app, one box. Perhaps that was
their original usage. But after testing with Virtualbox, and
considering the possibilities, I have changed my opinion about VMs.
Though I still wonder if they can be hacked, and bypass any security in
the instances running on them.
Now, I might still consider running production without a VM, but for
testing, development, and such, the VM environment has some advantages.
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